Will British Speedway Survive ?

[FAST GATER]

3 hours ago, mikebv said:

Spot on..

Only had 'the flu' once, around 30 years ago and I remained in bed for a week with two visits from the doctor as there was no chance of me going out to see him.. 

My then girlfriend told me when I was back on my feet that the she knew I wasnt well when she asked me what I was doing and I told her that i was "washing the pots". And the sink was empty.

She decided I wasnt quite fit to drive to work so put me to bed and given the amount of sweating and shaking also decided to phone the emergency doctor.

I lost over a stone in a weeks bed rest through sweating..

Since then, as a supermarket manager, whenever anyone calls in sick with "I have this flu that's going around so wont be in today, but I will be in tomorrow" I do laugh....

I have  had flu twice in my life  I  spent at least a week in bed both times and  it was about 2wks after that before I was a 100% fit again ,on both occasions I was under 30 yrs old .

[iris123]

18 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

I can accept all of that except “95% of the population could have it”, because 75% of our tests have been negative.

Less than 1% infected in Austria:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/less-than-1-of-austria-infected-with-coronavirus-new-study-shows

Again, it could well be hot spots. I see that the region of Tirol have kept the tough lockdown in certain areas where the outbreak is thought to have started such as Ischgl and Galtür until 26.04

Latest tests of 3,000 people show 19% positive said Günther Platter the local Bürgermeister or President of Tirol

[DC2]

1 hour ago, iris123 said:

Again, it could well be hot spots. I see that the region of Tirol have kept the tough lockdown in certain areas where the outbreak is thought to have started such as Ischgl and Galtür until 26.04

Latest tests of 3,000 people show 19% positive said Günther Platter the local Bürgermeister or President of Tirol

 

Yes, 19% is feasible in certain areas, as is more than 50% in care homes, but 95% isn’t anything like possible in the general population.

 

[TB1]

Around 500000 people die in England alone every year. What I'd like the hear from at least one hack who is questioning the daily briefing is that how many people in total have died in England on any given day.

It could be a useful tool to disseminate the numbers and find out just how many are succumbing to the virus. At the moment all the hysteria is assuming that anyone who has died must have caught the virus.

On the sporting front, I don't see anything happening for months as the ban on mass gatherings will be in place for a long time I think. The problem then will be will people want to go to sports events and be surrounded by lots of other people? If that is the case then low crowds could kill certain venues quicker than the current shutdown.

 

[BWitcher]

4 minutes ago, TB1 said:

Around 500000 people die in England alone every year. What I'd like the hear from at least one hack who is questioning the daily briefing is that how many people in total have died in England on any given day.

It could be a useful tool to disseminate the numbers and find out just how many are succumbing to the virus. At the moment all the hysteria is assuming that anyone who has died must have caught the virus.

On the sporting front, I don't see anything happening for months as the ban on mass gatherings will be in place for a long time I think. The problem then will be will people want to go to sports events and be surrounded by lots of other people? If that is the case then low crowds could kill certain venues quicker than the current shutdown.

 

Up until April 5th less people had died in the UK this year than the average for the past five years.

With the recent 'success' of the lockdown and the surge of deaths, that figure is now being surpassed.

Edited April 11, 2020 by BWitcher

[BluPanther]

1 minute ago, TB1 said:

Around 500000 people die in England alone every year. What I'd like the hear from at least one hack who is questioning the daily briefing is that how many people in total have died in England on any given day.

It could be a useful tool to disseminate the numbers and find out just how many are succumbing to the virus. At the moment all the hysteria is assuming that anyone who has died must have caught the virus.

On the sporting front, I don't see anything happening for months as the ban on mass gatherings will be in place for a long time I think. The problem then will be will people want to go to sports events and be surrounded by lots of other people? If that is the case then low crowds could kill certain venues quicker than the current shutdown.

 

The Open Championship (Golf) has been completely cancelled for this year, it's not looking good for sport ...

[mikebv]

23 minutes ago, TB1 said:

 

On the sporting front, I don't see anything happening for months as the ban on mass gatherings will be in place for a long time I think. The problem then will be will people want to go to sports events and be surrounded by lots of other people? If that is the case then low crowds could kill certain venues quicker than the current shutdown.

 

Thats a definite possibility...

There won't be 'safety net' Govt cash so venues will stand or fall by the uptake of the punters..

Personally after the 'all clear' I would go out, but not sure everyone would be in the same mindset..

[BarracudaAce]

22 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Up until April 5th less people had died in the UK this year than the average for the past five years.
 

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26 minutes ago, TB1 said:

Around 500000 people die in England alone every year. What I'd like the hear from at least one hack who is questioning the daily briefing is that how many people in total have died in England on any given day.

It could be a useful tool to disseminate the numbers and find out just how many are succumbing to the virus. At the moment all the hysteria is assuming that anyone who has died must have caught the virus.

 

I was just discussing some of this with friends in our WhatsApp group.

Is it something that would help put things into more perspective, and show us how many ‘extra’ deaths there are each day due to the virus?

Using the 500,000 total, that’s an average number of deaths per day of 1,370.

They are announcing the number of Covid-19 related deaths at e.g. 900 each day – but what is that in relation to the overall total of that particular day?

Was the number of deaths that day 1,370 + 900 = 2,270?

Probably not, but neither is it likely that the number of people passing away from a condition not Covid-19 related will have fallen considerably too much lower than 1,370. (is there a figure to hand of by how many the average had fallen before 5 April this year v. the last 5 years?)

So it is most likely somewhere between the two, but where between?

However, given that we are being told many of those passing away had underlying conditions, would it be fair to assume that some of those 900 people who sadly died that day from or associated with Covid-19 would have died anyway from another condition. Not necessarily on that particular day, but not too far into the future.

Maybe the talk of the ‘underlying conditions’ is giving some folks a false sense of security – those flouting the social distancing advice for instance. Would it, then, help hammer home the point of how this affecting us all also releasing the overall total of deaths, and how many higher this is than the average number of deaths ‘expected’ each day based on the 1,370 figure?

[topaz325]

Reading this weeks Star Len Silver is doubtful the season will probably not even start this year.

[Shrub]

16 hours ago, mikebv said:

Spot on..

Only had 'the flu' once, around 30 years ago and I remained in bed for a week with two visits from the doctor as there was no chance of me going out to see him.. 

My then girlfriend told me when I was back on my feet that the she knew I wasnt well when she asked me what I was doing and I told her that i was "washing the pots". And the sink was empty.

She decided I wasnt quite fit to drive to work so put me to bed and given the amount of sweating and shaking also decided to phone the emergency doctor.

I lost over a stone in a weeks bed rest through sweating..

Since then, as a supermarket manager, whenever anyone calls in sick with "I have this flu that's going around so wont be in today, but I will be in tomorrow" I do laugh....

Same here, just had it the once. I'm never ill, rarely get a cold but went down with flu around ten years ago and it knocked me for six.

A very uncomfortable week or so in bed, the one thing I do remember, (and am never allowed to forget) was when it was at it's peak, after finally getting in a vaguely comfortable position in bed, I needed a wee. The en-suite loo was about a dozen steps away, but it may as well of been in Ulan Batar, the way I felt. I knew I had to move, but didn't want to or felt I could. You become a little delirious with flu and your thought processes go out the window and I seriously considered just peeing in the bed. I didn't, I hasten to add, I compromised  and managed half the steps and peed on the bathroom floor.... 

[TB1]

5 hours ago, BarracudaAce said:

 

I was just discussing some of this with friends in our WhatsApp group.

 

Is it something that would help put things into more perspective, and show us how many ‘extra’ deaths there are each day due to the virus?

 

Using the 500,000 total, that’s an average number of deaths per day of 1,370.

 

They are announcing the number of Covid-19 related deaths at e.g. 900 each day – but what is that in relation to the overall total of that particular day?

 

Was the number of deaths that day 1,370 + 900 = 2,270?

 

Probably not, but neither is it likely that the number of people passing away from a condition not Covid-19 related will have fallen considerably too much lower than 1,370. (is there a figure to hand of by how many the average had fallen before 5 April this year v. the last 5 years?)

 

So it is most likely somewhere between the two, but where between?

 

However, given that we are being told many of those passing away had underlying conditions, would it be fair to assume that some of those 900 people who sadly died that day from or associated with Covid-19 would have died anyway from another condition. Not necessarily on that particular day, but not too far into the future.

 

Maybe the talk of the ‘underlying conditions’ is giving some folks a false sense of security – those flouting the social distancing advice for instance. Would it, then, help hammer home the point of how this affecting us all also releasing the overall total of deaths, and how many higher this is than the average number of deaths ‘expected’ each day based on the 1,370 figure?

 

Well said and I could not have put it better myself a number things that I thought but did not put in my post. Many thanks for that.

[TB1]

5 hours ago, mikebv said:

Thats a definite possibility...

There won't be 'safety net' Govt cash so venues will stand or fall by the uptake of the punters..

Personally after the 'all clear' I would go out, but not sure everyone would be in the same mindset..

I agree totally it certainly won't stop me going anywhere but just imagine pubs that were packed at weekends could be quiet with many choosing not to be in crowded locations.

In terms of government cash they have in effect hospitalized (pardon the pun) the economy without knowing if they have enough aftercare when the patient finally leaves the hospital. 

In addition given the UK has only a very small manufacturing sector left, the knock on effect of decimating the leisure and service industries could leave millions unemployed for years to come.

[Technik]

I have read over the weekend that the Danish will allow schools to reopen on Wednesday but shopping centres & pubs clubs & restaurants are to remain closed.

In Sweden there is a daily low of 17 related deaths recorded

Both countries leagues have been rescheduled for a start date in mid-june let us hope that can go ahead

[arnieg]

11 minutes ago, Technik said:

I have read over the weekend that the Danish will allow schools to reopen on Wednesday but shopping centres & pubs clubs & restaurants are to remain closed.

In Sweden there is a daily low of 17 related deaths recorded

Both countries leagues have been rescheduled for a start date in mid-june let us hope that can go ahead

I think you missed the small print in the Danish announcement that mass gatherings will be prohibited until August, thus wiping out virtually all Danish league fixtures.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-denmark/denmark-to-ease-restrictions-next-week-after-coronavirus-lockdown-idUSKBN21O2LH?fbclid=IwAR3FcrvJEopeNOgMPODEA72pxZ22VUh7CwLfMwEvLcFpWykuPW5NbOqn5rw

[iris123]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

I think you missed the small print in the Danish announcement that mass gatherings will be prohibited until August, thus wiping out virtually all Danish league fixtures.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-denmark/denmark-to-ease-restrictions-next-week-after-coronavirus-lockdown-idUSKBN21O2LH?fbclid=IwAR3FcrvJEopeNOgMPODEA72pxZ22VUh7CwLfMwEvLcFpWykuPW5NbOqn5rw

Indeed. The big folk festival on Tønder has been called off as has a big festival to mark the 100th anniversary of the German/Danish border amongst other things

The Tønder festival was planned for the end of August

https://www.festivalsunited.com/festivals.php?op=showf&tonder-festival-2020&fid=7630

I also put up a link in the international section with an interview from Jacob Olsen saying he hoped to start speedway in June, but it wasn’t 100%, just a hope

Edited April 12, 2020 by iris123

[DC2]

16 hours ago, TB1 said:

Around 500000 people die in England alone every year. What I'd like the hear from at least one hack who is questioning the daily briefing is that how many people in total have died in England on any given day.

 

16 hours ago, BarracudaAce said:

It could be a useful tool to disseminate the numbers and find out just how many are succumbing to the virus. At the moment all the hysteria is assuming that anyone who has died must have caught the virus.

Using the 500,000 total, that’s an average number of deaths per day of 1,370.

They are announcing the number of Covid-19 related deaths at e.g. 900 each day – but what is that in relation to the overall total of that particular day?

Was the number of deaths that day 1,370 + 900 = 2,270?

 

Two very good posts.

In the second post, rather than working out an average of deaths per day over the year I believe the ONS can do it for specific weeks (useful because flu is seasonal) and quite probably specific causes such as contagious or pulmonary illnesses (flu, pneumonia, bronchial, asthma etc).

Having said that, a month on month general comparison might be better because Covid is being put on death certificates like confetti, whether or not it was a cause of death, contributory factor or coincidence.

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by DC2

[greyhoundp]

Im dissapointed this thread has turned from will British Speedway survive into how many persons will survive the Covid 19 virus, there is a thread on Covid 19 if you wish to comment on that topic, meantime Rob godfrey said a few nights ago that he has had no indication that any teams may be going to the wall, which has to be a good thing for British Speedway..

[BluPanther]

2 minutes ago, greyhoundp said:

Im dissapointed this thread has turned from will British Speedway survive into how many persons will survive the Covid 19 virus, there is a thread on Covid 19 if you wish to comment on that topic, meantime Rob godfrey said a few nights ago that he has had no indication that any teams may be going to the wall, which has to be a good thing for British Speedway..

There are two on the forum, and i agree that's more than plenty ...

[BWitcher]

52 minutes ago, greyhoundp said:

Im dissapointed this thread has turned from will British Speedway survive into how many persons will survive the Covid 19 virus, there is a thread on Covid 19 if you wish to comment on that topic, meantime Rob godfrey said a few nights ago that he has had no indication that any teams may be going to the wall, which has to be a good thing for British Speedway..

Well they are directly linked so little wonder it's part of the conversation. 

[waytogo28]

As for will speedway survive - yes it will in some shape or form " but as we know it" ( or have known it ) IMHO. But it will become , I think, an even paler shadow of it's former self before being lost, like Peter Pan's shadow.

As for Mr Godfrey  saying that no clubs are likely to go to the wall - wasn't it Mandy Rice Davies who said " well he would say that wouldn't he?" . Or was it Christine Keeler?