Falcon1983 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 hours ago, BWitcher said: Yes it is incorrect as you have no idea of the amount that have contracted it. Nor are people tested 'again' in general for a case to be 'closed'. If you applied the same theory to flu/pneumonia, you're looking at a death rate of over 50% so it's nonsense. I don't need the 'last say'... as I am 100% correct in the figures I've given. Folks are triggered because it makes them look rather silly in the way they've been reacting... That's their issue. Flu stats are the same Figures are only made from people who have a confirmed case of the flu, does everyone go to hospital for mild flu? I doubt it very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: Flu stats are the same Figures are only made from people who have a confirmed case of the flu, does everyone go to hospital for mild flu? I doubt it very much Correct, they are the same, thank you for admitting that. So same method used, but flu/pneumonia is 25% higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 SON now scheduled for 24th and 25th October 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: Correct The only way you can calculate the death % is on closed cases I.e recovered or dead. At the moment the death % on confirmed closed cases is 21% On open cases only 4% are critical but that doesn't mean the 96% non critical will not suddenly get worse as the virus takes a tighter grip But anyway we'll all be fine once the 5G masts get taken down It's amazing how people twist numbers... The reason those confirmed cases are closed is because of the death rate, and not - as you seem to suggest - the other way round. If you are honest, you would admit that the final death rate will not be anything like that. As far as people criticising those who "downplay" the virus on here, claiming comparisons are "invalid" need to look at it like this. 1) Nobody is attempting to downplay or trivialise the effect of COVID-19. Yes, it IS serious, particularly for the elderly and infirm. 2) As serious as it is, there are many other things in this world that afflict people, causing suffering and death, and in great numbers. Therefore all comparisons can be classed as "valid". 3) As has been said, regular flu/pneumonia/respiratory afflictions kill people in HUGE numbers every year. The fact that most people are willing to sweep these under the carpet seems to indicate that the general public a) don't believe these numbers, b) don't WANT to believe these numbers, or c) don't care. 4) You're worried about catching COVID-19? Be sensible. Take precautions. Wash your hands. Practice social distancing. Even taking something totally different, let's consider this: There have been 1.5 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 worldwide. In 2017, 2.2 million people needed medical attention due to motor vehicle accidents. In the United States ALONE! 14,802 Americans have died from COVID-19 so far, and everybody is scared. 37,133 Americans died in motor vehicle accidents in 2017. You want to kick it up a notch? 607,000 Americans die each year from cancer. 647,000 Americans die each year from heart disease. Nobody thinks about that. More to the point, nobody worries about that. If you were to multiply the current number of deaths in the US from COVID-19 by ten, that would be a total of 148,020. You see my point? Nobody is trying to trivialise COVID-19, but as bad as it is, it still doesn't - and won't - claim anywhere near the number of victims that other things do. Other things that seemingly aren't worth a second thought to most of you. People die. We are all going to die. If it's not from one thing, it will be another. It's not worse, or more important, to die from one thing rather than another, and just because a single virus is bringing the world to a standstill, many more people will die from many other causes. And will be ignored... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Most of the children I saw who came to Eastbourne became totally wrapped up in the racing and cheered, shouted and waved like mad...an you should have heard that talking as they went out of the stadium. They liked wheel-to-wheel racing and seeing the riders. So they didn’t have coke cans crushed on their shoes and were just playing around not really looking at the racing like most kids I see ? Maybe Eastbourne is something else, as Eddie Cochran sang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Most of the children I saw who came to Eastbourne became totally wrapped up in the racing and cheered, shouted and waved like mad...an you should have heard that talking as they went out of the stadium. They liked wheel-to-wheel racing and seeing the riders. I remember as a kid being allowed access to the pits after the racing collecting autographs and being in awe of the riders...and of course during the interval one lucky kid got the chance to ride pillion on a bike but, of course, Health & Safety put a stop to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Most of the children I saw who came to Eastbourne became totally wrapped up in the racing and cheered, shouted and waved like mad...an you should have heard that talking as they went out of the stadium. They liked wheel-to-wheel racing and seeing the riders. The last sentence Richard is so important especially when they meet the riders and some become heroes.Isle of Wight and your club have made great strides media and website wise moving with the times some great DVD footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I remember as a kid being allowed access to the pits after the racing collecting autographs and being in awe of the riders...and of course during the interval one lucky kid got the chance to ride pillion on a bike but, of course, Health & Safety put a stop to that. The first part still happens... but not the second part as you say.. ridiculously so. Was any kid ever injured in that fashion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, MattK said: I have no idea. As I said, I count the people I see and it comes to about 800-ish. If 200 of them are freeloaders, then that's even worse! I think we survive off the generosity of Terry and the other guys. No wonder Terry has been trying to sell his stake for as long as I can remember. If you count the blocks of 100 people, plus all those in the bars the total at most meetings would be between 1300 and 1500. Edited April 9, 2020 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, BWitcher said: The first part still happens... but not the second part as you say.. ridiculously so. Was any kid ever injured in that fashion? So important Witcher this happening it has stayed with me forever and Lee Kilby is pushing and trying very hard to get kids involved at Swindon.It is heartwarming when you see the young uns looking at the bikes beforehand in awe this has to be maintained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: If you count the blocks of 100 people, plus all those in the bars the total at most meetings would be between 1300 and 1500. Well, one of us can't count Speedway attendances are one of life's great mysteries. Like "Is there a God" and "Do we have free will?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 hours ago, MattK said: It is pointless to clubs, as children do not like AD/DC, the calming tones of Richard Crowley (he's the announcer at Swindon) and filling our pieces of paper with pens. Bring children to speedway only once the presentation has been completely overhaul and dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century. Or, promote to the people who currently make up the majority of speedway's paying customers, the over 50s. There you go again though, generalising based on one Track one annoucer. Every track is different some better than others. My visits to Swindon, old configuration and new have always been very enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: The last sentence Richard is so important especially when they meet the riders and some become heroes.Isle of Wight and your club have made great strides media and website wise moving with the times some great DVD footage. I went to Eastbourne last year to see Brummies twice and both times Pits open before and after meeting, Stadium Tours and Home Riders mingling with Supporters in Pits and on Centre Green after the meeting. Got to talk to Brummies riders I usually can't get to see at PB although that had changed by end of the season. Went to Shield Final at Arlington with a mate from Leicester, what an effort then put on, dozens of Harley's and a Harley parade and again Pits open before and after and a Parade for Leicester who won the meeting. Brummies too making real efforts last season with Groups and features and involving kids at Interval. David and Peter Mason deserve great credit for that and notable improvement through the season. Same when I went to Somerset and Redcar. Trips to Wolverhampton though on the other hand far less enthusiasm same old Presentation as 10 years ago. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, MattK said: Well, one of us can't count Speedway attendances are one of life's great mysteries. Like "Is there a God" and "Do we have free will?" With only 800 people that would mean the old cheap side would be virtually empty.Last year at the Abbey the old cheap side bend two was filled quite nicely at times and is probably the best view to be had at the stadium now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: So important Witcher this happening it has stayed with me forever and Lee Kilby is pushing and trying very hard to get kids involved at Swindon.It is heartwarming when you see the young uns looking at the bikes beforehand in awe this has to be maintained. At Wolves you can go down to the pits pre-meeting, usually up until around 7pm. You don't go into the pits, but your standing alongside them looking in with numerous bikes against the barrier less than a metre away. Riders often wonder over for photos or a chat. There's usually around 100 or so fans congregated there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 5 hours ago, MattK said: It is pointless to clubs, as children do not like AD/DC, the calming tones of Richard Crowley (he's the announcer at Swindon) and filling our pieces of paper with pens. Bring children to speedway only once the presentation has been completely overhaul and dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century. Or, promote to the people who currently make up the majority of speedway's paying customers, the over 50s. As I’ve already posted here, that strategy isn’t going to bring new faces in. It is no more than just giving up. The over 50s who attend now are in the main long term fans of 20-30 plus years. A lot of them won’t be around in another 20-30 years, although at the rate we’re going they will outlive the sport anyway. Their contemporaries age wise will more likely than not have been exposed to the sport already at some point in their lives and decided they didn’t like it. And that will have been during a time when Speedway was in a better place than it is now. I’d be very concerned if the thought process of anyone involved in the sport was to market to over 50s solely because they make up the majority of the present, ever dwindling crowds. But then that is a very Speedway thing to do, worry about today rather than having any kind of long term plan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, HGould said: ........ Trips to Wolverhampton though on the other hand far less enthusiasm same old Presentation as 10 years ago. Hang on...... Mr Wolf has been updated to a Sylvester the Cat look-a-like!!! .... and Porky Spoon has halved his weight!!!! Fair point though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Ben91 said: As I’ve already posted here, that strategy isn’t going to bring new faces in. It is no more than just giving up. The over 50s who attend now are in the main long term fans of 20-30 plus years. A lot of them won’t be around in another 20-30 years, although at the rate we’re going they will outlive the sport anyway. Their contemporaries age wise will more likely than not have been exposed to the sport already at some point in their lives and decided they didn’t like it. And that will have been during a time when Speedway was in a better place than it is now. I’d be very concerned if the thought process of anyone involved in the sport was to market to over 50s solely because they make up the majority of the present, ever dwindling crowds. But then that is a very Speedway thing to do, worry about today rather than having any kind of long term plan. A lot of people knock spectator sports on the head when they settle down and have kids, some never go again. I carried on going regardless. I've always been a selfish bugger! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, cityrebel said: A lot of people knock spectator sports on the head when they settle down and have kids, some never go again. I carried on going regardless. I've always been a selfish bugger! Is that out of choice or are they advised to..... Edited April 9, 2020 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 13 hours ago, BWitcher said: No it doesn't have a 'death rate' of between 6 and 10%. When in doubt, make it up eh? Well according to the UK office figures 60733 confirmed cases with 7094 deaths that puts the death rate at 8% while Spain and Italy both run at around 10%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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