Will British Speedway Survive ?

[HGould]

If Poland gets green light and races every night, why shouldn't UK.???

British Clubs and specifically British riders need to earn. If a few Brits and some overseas riders have to decide, that's up to them their choice.

If UK shuts down due to Poles many UK Clubs would not reopen.

If any UK Clubs do close and seems likely some will if we are not racing by August, it'll be vad enough, without just lying down and letting Poland ride all over us.

Their model is frighteningly like PL soccer, and probably more at risk from Global economic crash than UK is

[mikebv]

19 minutes ago, HGould said:

If Poland gets green light and races every night, why shouldn't UK.???

British Clubs and specifically British riders need to earn. If a few Brits and some overseas riders have to decide, that's up to them their choice.

If UK shuts down due to Poles many UK Clubs would not reopen.

If any UK Clubs do close and seems likely some will if we are not racing by August, it'll be vad enough, without just lying down and letting Poland ride all over us.

Their model is frighteningly like PL soccer, and probably more at risk from Global economic crash than UK is

Nothing to stop the UK riding every night it wants I would say if others do the same..

Should Poland and Sweden want to cram as many meetings in as they can, you would think that the riders who ride in either (or both) leagues, and ride over here, would want to maximise their income and go where the money is best..

That would give plenty of UK riders lots or meetings over here and may prove a pointer towards a more 'going it alone' plan in the future..

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

Nothing to stop the UK riding every night it wants I would say if others do the same..

Should Poland and Sweden want to cram as many meetings in as they can, you would think that the riders who ride in either (or both) leagues, and ride over here, would want to maximise their income and go where the money is best..

That would give plenty of UK riders lots or meetings over here and may prove a pointer towards a more 'going it alone' plan in the future..

Could supporters afford say two home meetings in every ten days Mike ?? would UK clubs consider that.

[HGould]

6 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

Could supporters afford say two home meetings in every ten days Mike ?? would UK clubs consider that.

Two Clubs, I've seen so far has suggested reduced / free admission - £10 all 16 and above at Eastborne for first 2 Fixtures due to likely financial hardship. Poole also offering free admission all 2020 meetings to NHS Staff.

Hope more will follow suit

 

[Sidney the robin]

1 minute ago, HGould said:

Two Clubs, I've seen so far has suggested reduced / free admission - £10 all 16 and above at Eastborne for first 2 Fixtures due to likely financial hardship. Poole also offering free admission all 2020 meetings to NHS Staff.

Hope more will follow suit

 

I would love two meeting's every ten days,i could not see many clubs dropping there admission prices though.

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said:

Could supporters afford say two home meetings in every ten days Mike ?? would UK clubs consider that.

I think the riders would need as much racing as is possible given they would have budgeted for 60 to 70 meetings or so if doubling up I would suggest..

And the landlords too would want as much as possible I would think so maybe reduced rent could be applied given most keep the bar and car park takes..?

Maybe running six times a month or so at £10 to £12 a night would be more beneficial than running once every other week at £18...?

Fixed race nights will be off the agenda globally I would think given the race to get as much Speedway in as they can. With Mon and Thu still being the TV nights over here, but 'any other' night where they can get a decent crowd being targeted. 

The Aces for example would get around 1800 or so quite comfortably I reckon at around £12 on a Saturday night if they ran a Monday, Saturday, Thursday pattern. 

At a reduced admission though for all three as at £18 a night it wouldn't happen..

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by mikebv

[Falcon1983]

Maybe they should do a coupon so £18 to attend the first meeting, £16 for the second, £14 and then £12.

Discount only works if you have been to meeting one it would mean ppl have to go each time

So meeting one £18

Two £16

Three £14

Four £12

Five £12

Six £12

Seven £12

And so on...

If you miss the sequence you restart but if you're savvy you buy a friend a ticket 

[mikebv]

58 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

Maybe they should do a coupon so £18 to attend the first meeting, £16 for the second, £14 and then £12.

Discount only works if you have been to meeting one it would mean ppl have to go each time

So meeting one £18

Two £16

Three £14

Four £12

Five £12

Six £12

Seven £12

And so on...

If you miss the sequence you restart but if you're savvy you buy a friend a ticket 

I'd also raffle off a few 'season tickets' too..

Say a fiver a ticket at the first three or four matches..

Just 250 sold per meeting would bring five grand in over four matches. .

Not a bad return for four season tickets..

Edited April 5, 2020 by mikebv

[Falcon1983]

People love a raffle

[waytogo28]

13 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

I would love two meeting's every ten days,i could not see many clubs dropping there admission prices though.

And it will be that "fixed in stone " attitude that will see UK speedway as we know it, fail to survive.  Lack of flexible, positve thinking is what has led it to be at a very low ebb, pre-coronavirus. And if that continues it's Game Over! "My way or the highway" stances from the previous leadership was what accelerated the decline in the UK.

[Ben91]

In the Ekstraliga there are only 14 rounds of fixtures plus play-offs. The clubs won’t need to race every night to get the season done. Realistically they could start their season in June and still finish up by the end of October. 

There are ways in which we could take a leaf out of the Polish book in a positive manner. There seems to be a very British attitude that consistency is key and tracks have to have a meeting once a week. In Poland it is once a fortnight as a general rule. One week you are at home, the next away. Still consistent and not bank breaking for the fan. Yet people will say “if I don’t go every week I’ll get out of the habit of going.” People don’t get out of the habit of going to watch Man Utd and they don’t have a home game every week. 

If we scrapped B fixtures and play-offs the Premiership season could be completed in 12 weeks, that’s with one fixture a week per team (and no postponements). 

[A ORLOV]

16 hours ago, geoff58 said:

and there is the fixed race nights policy for all countries !!

 

Which I doubt Poland will abide by

[DC2]

 

A much shorter season would be far better here, at the very least avoiding the rain offs of April and October.

 

[Gambo]

Fixed race nights only give priority. You can race any night you like, but bear the consequences if your riders have other league's priority commitments.

[Falcon1983]

49 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

In the Ekstraliga there are only 14 rounds of fixtures plus play-offs. The clubs won’t need to race every night to get the season done. Realistically they could start their season in June and still finish up by the end of October. 

There are ways in which we could take a leaf out of the Polish book in a positive manner. There seems to be a very British attitude that consistency is key and tracks have to have a meeting once a week. In Poland it is once a fortnight as a general rule. One week you are at home, the next away. Still consistent and not bank breaking for the fan. Yet people will say “if I don’t go every week I’ll get out of the habit of going.” People don’t get out of the habit of going to watch Man Utd and they don’t have a home game every week. 

If we scrapped B fixtures and play-offs the Premiership season could be completed in 12 weeks, that’s with one fixture a week per team (and no postponements). 

I think if it restarts one set of fixtures but keep the play offs should be achieved. 

[Ben91]

2 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

I think if it restarts one set of fixtures but keep the play offs should be achieved. 

Would be easily done. Although in such a small league play-offs are pointless in reality, over half the league qualify. But that’s not a corona virus driven issue I guess. 

[Falcon1983]

20 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

Would be easily done. Although in such a small league play-offs are pointless in reality, over half the league qualify. But that’s not a corona virus driven issue I guess. 

True very true and I agree but with one set of fixtures a top 4 finish could be very exciting as it should be close.

Unless they do one set of fixtures, whoever finishes top is league champions and top 4 qualify for KO Cup semi finals... gives teams something to ride for 

[Falcon1983]

What is the conversion for a rider dropping into the championship from the prem

And what is the average conversion for a championship rider dropping into the national league 

[acef]

1 home and 1 away. Play offs. 

12 fixtures per club, 4 months to complete then a month for the play offs.

June to October.

Now obviously there will be clashes with other countries and at the moment, I have no clue how we would negotiate that.

The top leagues in this country are bloated and it is conceivable that we can fully complete with in those 5 months. The main league season doesn't get going until may anyway and we complete by October and that's doing twice the fixtures I proposed. 

If clubs do 1 home fixture a week that means every one will essentially ride twice a week, assuming those who clash on race nights move to their reserve race night.

It could even be done in less than 5 months.

[waytogo28]

8 hours ago, acef said:

June to October.

No way will the UK speedway season run in June. Possibly beginning in August but more likely September.