Corona virus

[BWitcher]

25 minutes ago, Vince said:

I thought this one of the better, more informative articles I have read on the subject. Not necessarily what we want to hear but seems like a realistic scenario.

It's highly probably that thousands of us have got it or already had it.

Let's face it, if you have a bit of a cough and a mild cold do you rush to your doctor? No.

If you called the dedicated lines in England with mild symptoms, you are told to stay at home, you aren't tested.

The only country that has adopted a thorough testing process is South Korea. They've tested 140,000 so far and as a result the death rate works out at 0.76% there. Even then they haven't tested everyone as mentioned above, many with the milder symptoms won't get tested, so the actual death rate will be lower.

 

[MattK]

On 3/10/2020 at 3:11 PM, Wolfsbane said:

Speedway will have no problems. Outdoor sport in the open air with very little crowding.

Can speedway afford to put any of their swindling supporter base at risk though?

[DC2]

10 minutes ago, MattK said:

Can speedway afford to put any of their swindling supporter base at risk though?

 

Swindling?  

Hmmm .... are those dodgy Swindon supporters?

 

[MattK]

15 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Swindling?  

Hmmm .... are those dodgy Swindon supporters?

 

Freudian slip? Or should that be Fraudian slip? I'll get my coat.

[HGould]

Typical over-reaction from Trump, turns it in to a racist motivated rant aimed at Europe / China etc.

If the virus is in US it's in US and it will spread. 

Customs Officials there are the most pig ignorant anywhere in the world, they cant get any worse.  Stuff them! 

[IainB]

13 minutes ago, HGould said:

Customs Officials there are the most pig ignorant anywhere in the world, they cant get any worse.  Stuff them! 

Have you been to the UAE?

NZ, the most friendly I've ever encountered

[BWitcher]

22 minutes ago, HGould said:

Typical over-reaction from Trump, turns it in to a racist motivated rant aimed at Europe / China etc.

If the virus is in US it's in US and it will spread. 

Customs Officials there are the most pig ignorant anywhere in the world, they cant get any worse.  Stuff them! 

Typical politically motivated rant.

One minute the loons are screaming he doesn't take it seriously, he should be locking things down blah blah..

He does what they want.. they scream he's over reacting.

[HGould]

5 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Typical politically motivated rant.

One minute the loons are screaming he doesn't take it seriously, he should be locking things down blah blah..

He does what they want.. they scream he's over reacting.

Not politically motivated at all. 

I think Boris has got it spot on and Trump dead wrong.

Nothing to do with politics

[HGould]

14 minutes ago, iainb said:

Have you been to the UAE?

NZ, the most friendly I've ever encountered

Agree about NZ 

Have not been to UAE not really interested in sand and camels 

[Mimmo]

1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

It's highly probably that thousands of us have got it or already had it.

Let's face it, if you have a bit of a cough and a mild cold do you rush to your doctor? No.

If you called the dedicated lines in England with mild symptoms, you are told to stay at home, you aren't tested.

The only country that has adopted a thorough testing process is South Korea. They've tested 140,000 so far and as a result the death rate works out at 0.76% there. Even then they haven't tested everyone as mentioned above, many with the milder symptoms won't get tested, so the actual death rate will be lower.

 

At the moment I'm suffering and coughing as a result of an Asthma Attack on Saturday.  I'm taking steroids and have two inhalers, yet when I was in a store in King's Lynn yesterday, I was politely asked to leave the premises.  I had ALL my medication with me, showed them, and they allowed me to remain, but it was embarrassing for me in front of a lot of customers.
This morning I went to the doctors surgery as requested, just to check to see how I was progressing, and they've now decided not to see patients face to face before  they've first spoken to them on the phone!!
This afternoon I've got to take my wife to hospital for chemo, and I bet the moment I cough, they'll try and show me the door. 

[BWitcher]

19 minutes ago, Mimmo said:

At the moment I'm suffering and coughing as a result of an Asthma Attack on Saturday.  I'm taking steroids and have two inhalers, yet when I was in a store in King's Lynn yesterday, I was politely asked to leave the premises.  I had ALL my medication with me, showed them, and they allowed me to remain, but it was embarrassing for me in front of a lot of customers.
This morning I went to the doctors surgery as requested, just to check to see how I was progressing, and they've now decided not to see patients face to face before  they've first spoken to them on the phone!!
This afternoon I've got to take my wife to hospital for chemo, and I bet the moment I cough, they'll try and show me the door. 

I can honestly see some major incidents ahead.

People are starting to panic already. I've come across several screaming that it's a 'fatal disease' that is spreading 'tremendously fast'. It will soon be at a point where if someone coughs they'll be, as you experienced, told to get lost, leave, stay out out our street.. even get out of the house next to us..  if we reach a point of shops being restricted, food shortages etc, it will be even worse... people will react, fights break out etc.

Yes, the problem is serious. No, the death rate is not 4% or whatever figure keeps being quoted. No, everyone isn't going to die. 

The media will keep whipping up a frenzy and the **** will hit the fan.. that concerns me more than the virus itself.

[New Yorker]

My mate and I are a couple of Yanks HUGHLY looking forward to coming to your great country with grandstand tickets to the SON in May. I haven't seen or heard any comments on the meet being possibly called off and wondering if anyone has. Also planning on renting a car and traveling from Manchester Northward and eventually ending up back in London (hopefully a pro in left hand lane driving). My first live speedway race! 

[IainB]

Scotland to ban gatherings of more than 500 from Monday

[Spl77]

If the government ban gatherings of more than 500 people most domestic speedway meetings should be unaffected. 

[OveFundinFan]

If there is a 500 limit and that includes speedway, it would be quiet novel to see fans being turned away from some tracks. 

[Tsunami]

6 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

If there is a 500 limit and that includes speedway, it would be quiet novel to see fans being turned away from some tracks. 

Nah. Put 500 on the Home straight and 500 on the back straight, and tell them not to mingle. 

[MattK]

7 hours ago, BWitcher said:

It's highly probably that thousands of us have got it or already had it.

Let's face it, if you have a bit of a cough and a mild cold do you rush to your doctor? No.

If you called the dedicated lines in England with mild symptoms, you are told to stay at home, you aren't tested.

The only country that has adopted a thorough testing process is South Korea. They've tested 140,000 so far and as a result the death rate works out at 0.76% there. Even then they haven't tested everyone as mentioned above, many with the milder symptoms won't get tested, so the actual death rate will be lower.

 

As you say, it is estimated that up to 10,000 are infected but are not displaying symptoms (the incubation period is 5 days) or experience mild symptoms. The problem is these people are still contagious and are infecting others as they go about their daily lives.

There is a lot of focus on the death rate, however it is a bit more complex than that. For example, figures from China suggest that 20% of those who contract the virus require hospital treatment. Reports from Italy suggest their healthcare system in the north is at breaking point with not enough isolation rooms in hospitals to avoid infection of other patients and healthcare workers and shortages of ventilation machines and respirators.

Another slightly ironic issue in Italy is that even before the outbreak they had a shortage of around 3,000 intensive care professionals. Now where have we heard about healthcare worker shortages before?

[BWitcher]

13 minutes ago, MattK said:

As you say, it is estimated that up to 10,000 are infected but are not displaying symptoms (the incubation period is 5 days) or experience mild symptoms. The problem is these people are still contagious and are infecting others as they go about their daily lives.

There is a lot of focus on the death rate, however it is a bit more complex than that. For example, figures from China suggest that 20% of those who contract the virus require hospital treatment. Reports from Italy suggest their healthcare system in the north is at breaking point with not enough isolation rooms in hospitals to avoid infection of other patients and healthcare workers and shortages of ventilation machines and respirators.

Another slightly ironic issue in Italy is that even before the outbreak they had a shortage of around 3,000 intensive care professionals. Now where have we heard about healthcare worker shortages before?

Figures say that 20% of those tested positive for it require hospital treatment.

There's the significant difference, it is very mild in the majority of cases.. mild enough that you wouldn't even bother going to a doctor or getting it checked.

I agree about those with mild symptoms still being infected and going about their daily lives.

South Korea is the only country to have done significant testing, including as many as possible with the mildest of symptoms. 

It's a serious issue for those in the problem groups.. what irks me is insane people (and I've come across them) screaming their child is in danger going to school. No they're not, they're about as likely to get run over by a car as to die from coronavirus... it's them carrying the virus to those more vulnerable that is the issue... as you mentioned.

[stewmac]

2 hours ago, BWitcher said:

It's a serious issue for those in the problem groups.. what irks me is insane people (and I've come across them) screaming their child is in danger going to school. No they're not, they're about as likely to get run over by a car as to die from coronavirus... it's them carrying the virus to those more vulnerable that is the issue... as you mentioned.

While I agree with you, children are surely able to transmit the virus, even though they may not suffer badly from it. With a significant number of teaching staff who are in their later years, and therefore presumably also possibly with health issues ( I speak as one myself, along with several others in my small school) there must be a good chance of infection and problems for them too. 

What irks me a bit today is that while the W.H.O. has been calling urgently for all countries to act aggressively to slow things down, here in the UK we seem happy to take little dramatic action as yet. This could have fatal consequences for many.

[MattK]

3 minutes ago, stewmac said:

While I agree with you, children are surely able to transmit the virus, even though they may not suffer badly from it. With a significant number of teaching staff who are in their later years, and therefore presumably also possibly with health issues ( I speak as one myself, along with several others in my small school) there must be a good chance of infection and problems for them too. 

What irks me a bit today is that while the W.H.O. has been calling urgently for all countries to act aggressively to slow things down, here in the UK we seem happy to take little dramatic action as yet. This could have fatal consequences for many.

It's a balancing act. If you close schools then people have to take time off work which hurts the economy and people who work in healthcare are not available at a time when the health service needs them most.

Given that we are 4 weeks behind Italy we have a nice little case study we can follow. If our infections rates continue at the same rate as Italy's were 4 weeks ago then we know we have to take decisive action and the timings of Italy's actions show us when we should take certain steps. As it stands our infection rate is growing at around 20%, whereas Italy's was 35% before they announced their effective shutdown, which suggests we are no where near in as bad a state as they were.