Ray Stadia Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Dude, seriously, have a word with yourself. Normally i agree with you, or at least your logic, but no need for name calling, especially when you are deliberately misrepresenting his point. I know several health professionals, from ground level to senior strategic all say one of the big issues is people comparing to the flu. Corona is more contagious, has no vaccine, higher morality rate, higher rate of serious cases. There's a good reason governments are imposing lockdowns, despite the impact doing so has on their economies - and that's advice from health experts, not due to the media. No one is down playing the annual deaths from flu. But this new virus has potential to cause far more. Stay safe, stay well all. The thing that worries me about lockdowns, is you may just be deferring the contagion and in fact, you maybe elongating the contagion. The government seem to be saying and the experts, the lockdown is important to protect the NHS, which I understand, but lockdowns over a long period, can't be sustainable. I sincerely hope the strategy is the right strategy. Edited March 23, 2020 by Ray Stadia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Dude, seriously, have a word with yourself. Normally i agree with you, or at least your logic, but no need for name calling, especially when you are deliberately misrepresenting his point. I know several health professionals, from ground level to senior strategic all say one of the big issues is people comparing to the flu. Corona is more contagious, has no vaccine, higher morality rate, higher rate of serious cases. There's a good reason governments are imposing lockdowns, despite the impact doing so has on their economies - and that's advice from health experts, not due to the media. No one is down playing the annual deaths from flu. But this new virus has potential to cause far more. Stay safe, stay well all. Not at all, that cretin has dismissed it several times on other threads. And yes, I will call someone a cretin who dismisses such a loss of life as insignificant. His comment says it all. Corona is not yet proven to be more contagious. Figures are beginning to prove that. Strands of flu infect millions within weeks at the start of each flu season. That is WITH a vaccine. The death rate is as yet unproven. The more testing done, the lower it is becoming. And yes people ARE playing down the annual deaths from the flu, it is ludicrous to suggest they are not. The Third Man is just one such person. I have not belittled Covid-19, which The Third Man claims... Yes it is something to be taken seriously as all viruses are. Edited March 23, 2020 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: The thing that worries me about lockdowns, is you may just be deferring the contagion and in fact, you maybe elongating the contagion. The government seem to be saying and the experts, the lockdown is important to protect the NHS, which I understand, but lockdowns over a long period, can't be sustainable. I sincerely hope the strategy is the right strategy. Agreed, not a sustainable solution. But, without wanting to sound like a parrott, it is about "flattenning the curve." Reducing the peak will help ensure hospital beds for those who need them, which will reduce fatalities both from covid and other illnesses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: The thing that worries me about lockdowns, is you may just be deferring the contagion and in fact, you maybe elongating the contagion. The government seem to be saying and the experts, the lockdown is important to protect the NHS, which I understand, but lockdowns over a long period, can't be sustainable. I sincerely hope the strategy is the right strategy. It's not sustainable financially but delaying it enough will allow more people to be treated because more beds and nebulisers will be freed up. Less people will needlessly die and medical scientists will have longer to work out the best medicines to treat the symptoms. People have to continue getting this but it needs to be controlled like a tap. It sucks though because we will all be paying the financial burden of this for generations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Not at all, that cretin has dismissed it several times on other threads. And yes, I will call someone a cretin who dismisses such a loss of life as insignificant. His comment says it all. Corona is not yet proven to be more contagious. Figures are beginning to prove that. Strands of flu infect millions within weeks at the start of each flu season. That is WITH a vaccine. The death rate is as yet unproven. The more testing done, the lower it is becoming. And yes people ARE playing down the annual deaths from the flu, it is ludicrous to suggest they are not. The Third Man is just one such person. I have not belittled Covid-19, which The Third Man claims... Yes it is something to be taken seriously as all viruses are. If you're referring to this cretin, then I'm sorry to have to disappoint you in the fact that I haven't mentioned this topic on any other thread. You are one sick individual. In fact I suggest we meet up once this is over and we can have it out. Perhaps we can do it for charity? I'll donate to the SRBF, you can donate to your favourite flu charity. I'm in Leicester, where are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, iainb said: If you're referring to this cretin, then I'm sorry to have to disappoint you in the fact that I haven't mentioned this topic on any other thread. You are one sick individual. In fact I suggest we meet up once this is over and we can have it out. Perhaps we can do it for charity? I'll donate to the SRBF, you can donate to your favourite flu charity. I'm in Leicester, where are you? Apologies, I thought the post was on the other, more intelligent thread. What is there to have out? The point is, hundreds of thousands die from the flu annually. You think that's irrelevant and not a matter of concern. That is sick. Covid-19 is a virus that is of course a matter of concern too. 110,252 deaths from flu this year. 16,314 from Covid-19. If you think either should be dismissed, you've got a screw loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Apologies, I thought the post was on the other, more intelligent thread. What is there to have out? The point is, hundreds of thousands die from the flu annually. You think that's irrelevant and not a matter of concern. That is sick. Covid-19 is a virus that is of course a matter of concern too. 110,252 deaths from flu this year. 16,314 from Covid-19. If you think either should be dismissed, you've got a screw loose. I want to have out that you've called me an imbecile, a cretin, and even had a go at me about me not "banging" on about watching my dad die from Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. Where do you want to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, iainb said: I want to have out that you've called me an imbecile, a cretin, and even had a go at me about me not "banging" on about watching my dad die from Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. Where do you want to do this? To jump in as 'referee' I don't think this is the time to be taking 'lumps' out of each other. We are all feeling frustrated, jumpy and frightened. If the politicians can be restraint, then I think members of the BSF can also. Rather than us descending into the usual 'my opinion is better than yours', as happens on BSF, is not helpful. Can't we all be allowed to have an opinion, without being insulting? I only called Tsunami a sad man, because he said my comments were garbage and therefore, I rose to his slating. I shouldn't have done. Can we please move forward and share opinions, challenge opinions yes, but in a civil and constructive way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: To jump in as 'referee' I don't think this is the time to be taking 'lumps' out of each other. We are all feeling frustrated, jumpy and frightened. If the politicians can be restraint, then I think members of the BSF can also. Rather than us descending into the usual 'my opinion is better than yours', as happens on BSF, is not helpful. Can't we all be allowed to have an opinion, without being insulting? I only called Tsunami a sad man, because he said my comments were garbage and therefore, I rose to his slating. I shouldn't have done. Can we please move forward and share opinions, challenge opinions yes, but in a civil and constructive way. I accept differences in opinion, it's what this forum is all about. What I WILL NOT accept is personal abuse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Unfortunately those who have spent the weekend ignoring the advice have irrevocably change everyone’s way of life. No point in jumping down everyone’s throat on here as most if not all are responsible and reasonable people. Sadly we will all probably experience casualties but better to educate than berate. We all know that in society some ignore, think they are better and stick two fingers up to what is happening but this is different and to those who think they are above the advice, god help you. To all you recognise the issues thank you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 12 hours ago, steve roberts said: Sat in the car overlooking the sea with a picnic self isolating...however won't be returning anytime soon now that the advice has been stepped up. Sounds a bit pervy, Steve! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 hours ago, steve roberts said: I managed the one packet at a local store yesterday...the great crumpet hunt continues! Look, I know what you’re all on about. Is it some sort of secret society? “Crumpets” are obviously quilted toilet paper. Cat out of the bag. (Fluffy white cat). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawk127 said: Unfortunately those who have spent the weekend ignoring the advice have irrevocably change everyone’s way of life. No point in jumping down everyone’s throat on here as most if not all are responsible and reasonable people. Sadly we will all probably experience casualties but better to educate than berate. We all know that in society some ignore, think they are better and stick two fingers up to what is happening but this is different and to those who think they are above the advice, god help you. To all you recognise the issues thank you. Yes it was going to happen...wasn't surprised by the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC2 said: Sounds a bit pervy, Steve! Yes I'm looking forward to doing a lot of "self isolating" involving various activities! Edited March 23, 2020 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Can't see how leaving my home on my bike, going for a spin and returning home, without stopping would harm anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Can't see how leaving my home on my bike, going for a spin and returning home, without stopping would harm anyone You are allowed to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, HertsRacer said: You are allowed to do that. Motorbike ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said: Motorbike ? I don’t think so, luckily I got out on mine today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Motorbike ? Well it says cycle, does'n't say how powered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Tim G said: I don’t think so, luckily I got out on mine today. What you got Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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