rjsj9803 Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 hours ago, steve roberts said: I've "self-isolated" myself from the other thread on corona virus...just goes round and round in circles and dominated by a certain few. And until now I had self isolated on the other thread on corona virus, I didn't even know this one way running and yeah I am going to stick with this one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, rjsj9803 said: And until now I had self isolated on the other thread on corona virus, I didn't even know this one way running and yeah I am going to stick with this one!!! Is that because you can post your fiction here and it's believed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, BWitcher said: It does show that London is a hotspot , so what you are saying may well have some credence. Bloody hell, thanks lol . May well have some credence Sadly there is a reason why this virus is hitting particular sections of the community harder in cities. As awful as it is to say, in the uk, south asians have particular medical historical issues that make them vulnerable. Here in south london and elsewhere, lots of people have sickle cell anaemia aswell, and they are massively at risk to this also. Crazy times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjsj9803 Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Is that because you can post your fiction here and it's believed? Bye Rimmer I have no interest in your mass debating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 hours ago, BWitcher said: Nothing to do with opinions. it's facts that are being discussed. Just because some like fantasies, like the ones on this thread. As for safe? Its STILL the case that there have been less deaths from respiratory diseases in the UK this year than the average for the past 5. Is covid-19 serious? YES IT IS. Well perhaps when you have a moment you can clear up a long standing question when you were confusing 'facts' with 'opinions' regarding a speedway related topic which you've not addressed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Happy birthday Doc, keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, proud panther said: Happy birthday Doc, keep up the good work. Ditto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 10 hours ago, BWitcher said: Its STILL the case that there have been less deaths from respiratory diseases in the UK this year than the average for the past 5. Yes but the coronavirsu deaths are contuniung to soar daily as the peak is reached and could easily match Italy ( sure to go over 1,000 a day IMHO ) and will easily pass those you are talking awbout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Yes but the coronavirsu deaths are contuniung to soar daily as the peak is reached and could easily match Italy ( sure to go over 1,000 a day IMHO ) and will easily pass those you are talking awbout. The deaths aren't 'soaring daily', if you're referring to yesterday's figure.. that's higher for the same reason as last Monday. They don't have time to record all the deaths on a Sunday, so many of them carry over to the next day. Hence you'll find Sunday's figure is always lower.. but the balance is added to Mondays. That said, they will continue to rise for at least the next 7 days or so when 'hopefully' it will reach a peak and then begin to plateau.. as they have done in Italy and Spain. Of coursed, plateauing at that level won't be good as hundreds will still be dying so its when things start to consistently start going down we can start to be hopeful. The reason for pointing out the number of deaths is that there are many laboring under the belief the deaths we have seen so far are unprecedented.. they were doing so when 50 a day were dying. Many of us said then that those figures were a drop in the ocean and were ridiculed. Of course.. we were right. However, a major factor in both our recording of deaths.. and indeed that of Italy is they are including deaths that were 'suspected' to have covid-19 not just those who have it which is exaggerating the numbers somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 hours ago, steve roberts said: I've "self-isolated" myself from the other thread on corona virus...just goes round and round in circles and dominated by a certain few. Oh, Steve, I feel wounded! But I’ll leave this thread statistic free! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 hours ago, steve roberts said: I've "self-isolated" myself from the other thread on corona virus...just goes round and round in circles and dominated by a certain few. A bit like speedway! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Not sure why i was quoted in that multi quoted post, my post was made before any deaths were recorded in the UK and buisness as usual. Equally now I am not worried about the virus, I have a vunerable daughter and a pregnant mrs BUT have followed all the guidelines etc, if we spent our lives worrying about everything we d make ourselves ill. What does concern me though are the people that still think they are above the guidelines, and online experts that seem to know everything. Which is particularly impressive considering the experts are learning on a daily basis. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: Not sure why i was quoted in that multi quoted post, my post was made before any deaths were recorded in the UK and buisness as usual. Equally now I am not worried about the virus, I have a vunerable daughter and a pregnant mrs BUT have followed all the guidelines etc, if we spent our lives worrying about everything we d make ourselves ill. What does concern me though are the people that still think they are above the guidelines, and online experts that seem to know everything. Which is particularly impressive considering the experts are learning on a daily basis. Nail on the head. Of course the guidelines should be followed. If not, you can't measure it's degree of success at all. And you are right, everything is changing on a daily basis, which is why many of us are continually discussing it. The fact that 'experts' are learning on a daily basis and are constantly changing their prognosis backs up it's an ever evolving situation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) On 4/8/2020 at 11:30 AM, BWitcher said: However, a major factor in both our recording of deaths.. and indeed that of Italy is they are including deaths that were 'suspected' to have covid-19 not just those who have it which is exaggerating the numbers somewhat. I'm afraid you have that completely wrong. The figures given each day only include those who have died in hospital and been confirmed as having died having Covid19. The true figures are very much higher, as community deaths and those in old folks' homes are not included...a fact that has been repeatedly highlighted in Scotland by the FM.. This link is only one of multiple that confirm this: https://www.ft.com/content/c07e267b-7bca-418f-ad9e-8631a29854cb Edited April 10, 2020 by stewmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, stewmac said: I'm afraid you have that completely wrong. The figures given each day only include those who have died in hospital and been confirmed as having died having Covid19. The true figures are very much higher, as community deaths and those in old folks' homes are not included...a fact that has been repeatedly highlighted in Scotland by the FM.. Why have heart disease, stroke and pneumonia deaths plummeted around the globe ? Don't you find that rather strange ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Blupanther said: Why have heart disease, stroke and pneumonia deaths plummeted around the globe ? Don't you find that rather strange ... Of course, it's all connected. But you're not going to tell me that the 15 folk who died this week in an old folks' home close to me, all displaying the Covid symptoms, were going to drop dead of the things above in the space of a few days are you? Similarly, in my small town of 7,000 I know of two deaths of people under 30 in the last fortnight who didn't even make it to hospital due to sudden onset of symptoms, and yet they won't be included in the figures. Repeat these sorts of figures all over the country and you have a hell of a lot more people than are being officially reported. Edited April 10, 2020 by stewmac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, stewmac said: Of course, it's all connected. But you're not going to tell me that the 15 folk who died this week in an old folks' home close to me, all displaying the Covid symptoms, were going to drop dead of the things above in the space of a few days are you? Similarly, in my small town of 7,000 I know of two deaths of people under 30 in the last fortnight who didn't even make it to hospital due to sudden onset of symptoms, and yet they won't be included in the figures. Repeat these sorts of figures all over the country and you have a hell of a lot more people than are being officially reported. I do think it is something of a grey area. People who died with AIDS are always listed as AIDS deaths. People with COVID-19 are listed as COVID-19 deaths. Yet the two contradict each other. AIDS was invariably the underlying health condition rather then the technical cause of death. So, what kills you? The virus or the health condition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, stewmac said: Of course, it's all connected. But you're not going to tell me that the 15 folk who died this week in an old folks' home close to me, all displaying the Covid symptoms, were going to drop dead of the things above in the space of a few days are you? Well they do most winters.. I know of a care home that had 19 die in two days a couple of years ago. Around 3000 a week die from flu/pneumonia in England and Wales alone during the months of Dec-February and around 2500 a week in March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Going back to my first comment, which was in reply to your claim that deaths are being over reported, you have said nothing to back up your claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, stewmac said: Going back to my first comment, which was in reply to your claim that deaths are being over reported, you have said nothing to back up your claim. Every death that is linked to covid-19 is reported as a death from covid-19. The reality is the majority of those cases have developed pneumonia... exactly as happens with serious cases of influenza. The difference.. then influenza develops into pneumonia, the death will be reported as pneumonia. Now, it is not, it is reported as Covid-19. Secondly, I have always referred to the ONS statistics, not the NHS figures which only include hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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