Corona virus

[waytogo28]

There is a very faint cahnce that in Septemebr and October we might see some "taster" racing to whet our appetites for a 2021 season.

That will see fewer clubs coming to the tapes next year.

[Wee Eck]

6 hours ago, waytogo28 said:

There is a very faint cahnce that in Septemebr and October we might see some "taster" racing to whet our appetites for a 2021 season.

That will see fewer clubs coming to the tapes next year.

I’m not sure why that should be. Most tracks make losses. Will the losses be greater if they don’t run?
In my view, speedway in UK will survive if speedway supporters want it to. 

[Racin Jason 72]

If there is no racing the books of most clubs will be more healthy than in previous years. 
im furloughed at the moment and working on decorating my house. So all my weekend jobs will be complete when racing hopefully resumes. 
I shall be going to as much speedway as I possibly can as you don’t know what you have until it’s taken away. 
what’s the betting when we do resume the weather changes for the worse. 

[screm]

8 hours ago, waytogo28 said:

There is a very faint cahnce that in Septemebr and October we might see some "taster" racing to whet our appetites for a 2021 season.

That will see fewer clubs coming to the tapes next year.

In a perverse way this shut down will probably be saving clubs from making significant losses with low early season crowds etc. You would think that just now clubs outgoings will be just about zero, no wages to be to riders and others and you would think no rent to pay for those clubs with landlords.

[Ray Stadia]

1 hour ago, screm said:

In a perverse way this shut down will probably be saving clubs from making significant losses with low early season crowds etc. You would think that just now clubs outgoings will be just about zero, no wages to be to riders and others and you would think no rent to pay for those clubs with landlords.

They may have signed rent contracts, which have to be honoured?  

[The Third Man]

1 hour ago, screm said:

In a perverse way this shut down will probably be saving clubs from making significant losses with low early season crowds etc. You would think that just now clubs outgoings will be just about zero, no wages to be to riders and others and you would think no rent to pay for those clubs with landlords.

The problem is some outlay will already have been made, air fences etc, so some losses will still be made even if there is no speedway

[screm]

14 hours ago, Ray Stadia said:

They may have signed rent contracts, which have to be honoured?  

I would be surprised if any landlord enforced that and took money from the speedway club renting their stadium, especially knowing that would almost certainly mean the end of any future money coming in.

[geoff100]

last year the comets were racing they had a double header the rugby club charged 2 weeks rent ,u get no favours from landlords in this game .

[noaksey]

You need to be careful with stadium landlords

No events mean no income. That'll make the housing option even more attractive 

[Steve Irving]

The likes of Ray Stadia, BluPanther and particularly Bwitcher should be utterly ashamed of themselves for the crock of sh!te they’ve all posted in this thread. Cockwombles the lot of you. 

[Sidney the robin]

9 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

The likes of Ray Stadia, BluPanther and particularly Bwitcher should be utterly ashamed of themselves for the crock of sh!te they’ve all posted in this thread. Cockwombles the lot of you. 

 Don't believe everything you hear or read Steve especially from the BBC.

[Ray Stadia]

48 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

The likes of Ray Stadia, BluPanther and particularly Bwitcher should be utterly ashamed of themselves for the crock of sh!te they’ve all posted in this thread. Cockwombles the lot of you. 

Very brave of you Keyboard Warrior! People are allowed to have an opinion! Get a grip! 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Ray Stadia

[Steve Irving]

On 3/3/2020 at 2:59 PM, BWitcher said:

You're the one being hysterical.

 

On 3/3/2020 at 5:33 PM, BWitcher said:

So.. there's a vaccine.. and there's still 12-16,000 died from it in the US..

Whereas the one without a vaccine has killed 2 in the US.

 

 

On 3/4/2020 at 9:30 AM, Grachan said:

Or is it a lot of fuss over a bad cold?

 

On 3/3/2020 at 4:32 PM, YerRopes said:

12-16K (depending on source) have died of flu in the US this winter. 

Puts things in perspective a bit. 

 

On 3/3/2020 at 4:00 PM, HGould said:

I'm with Rob with this.

It is a virus and so far has affected China (whether you believe the conspiracy theories about lab creation or from animals is irrelevant) Iran and Italy and in vast majority of cases has been passed and be traced to hot spots.

Only a few cases in UK out of about 50 can't be linked to mainly Italy or China/Iran.

No need for over-reaction, no need for panic and no need for abuse. 

Attendence at any sporting event in voluntary, let the individual decide.

 

 

 

On 3/3/2020 at 1:42 PM, RobMcCaffery said:

While complacency is unwise a little caution needs to be taken before going overboard.

The current death rate from Coronavirus is 2% of victims globally, 3,000 in total but 90% in China. With a world population of 7.8 billion you have a  i in 2.6 million risk of dying from it. This could of course change. Just 300 people have died from the virus outside China. 

The last flu pandemic was SARS which had a five times higher death rate of 10%. I don't recall public events being cancelled then.

A death rate of 1 in 2.6 million would produce about 25 deaths in the UK. Even if it hit the same rate as SARS you would be looking at just over 100. That's not a pleassant number. One death is to be mourned.

The UK average annual deaths from the common flu viruses is 17,000, based on recent figures. On that basis and current 'logic' all public events in Britain should be permanantly banned and everyone should work from home.

Of course the infection/death rate of Coronavirus may well increase but right now I think there's a lot of media-fed hysteria going on. 

Me, I'd rather go on the advice of medics rather than journalists but then I'm old-fashioned....

 

On 3/3/2020 at 1:52 PM, iris123 said:

Think the rugby was cancelled because they didn’t want fans traveling to Ireland from the problem zone of North Italy.The Italian Matches called off were also in that area. Apart from that all I have seen are international event where people are coming from around the world. Speedway doesn’t come into that category. No large fan contingent from China or Italy. Only when you get to the GP’s is it really international.and as long as flight crews are traveling in and out and staying overnight in different countries and are not cancelled then it is ok.

So far all I have seen are flights being cancelled because people are put off flying 

Just seen fans from certain areas of Milan and surrounding suburbs are not allowed to travel to Turin for tomorrow’s game, but Turin fans are ok....

On 3/3/2020 at 3:43 PM, RobMcCaffery said:

Ian B. I might have watched that again except for your typically offensive comment at the end. 

Funny, there's a vaccine for common flu but it still causes 17,000 deaths on average yet it is a lesser problem than Coronavirus. Very odd. 

 

On 3/3/2020 at 6:06 PM, Vince said:

So far in this century, like a cat with 9 lives I've managed to survive

Mad cow disease (not the 80's version, the new one from the middle of last year)

Sars (another coronavirus)

TB

Ebola

a Flu pandemic

Possibly Brexit - although that might be premature.

and probably more that I cant remember.

All of which according to the press were likely to result in vast swathes of people dropping dead worldwide. (possible exception for Brexit but I thought it was funny)

As a child of the 60's there are another 39 years before that where I was fortunate enough to survive all sorts of certain death such as lead paint, wrapping asbestos string around exhausts and working on asbestos brakes, walking through a workplace without a bright yellow vest on, lifting more than 25kg all on my own and so on.

 So no matter what the press and internet tell me I'm going to keep riding my luck and carry on just as I am without giving a toss

 

On 3/4/2020 at 10:16 AM, Grachan said:

Many people will have had this and had it mildly. Those cases might not have been tested, particularly in countries where getting a test is expensive. So the 3.5% is probably a lot higher than reality.

 

On 3/4/2020 at 10:44 AM, SPEEDY69 said:

The same applies for recorded figures of other illnesses.  Surely it has to be based on reported cases, so for reported cases of seasonal flu, 0.1% of people die.  Statistics never really tell the whole story but I agree with what point I think you're making in that there is unjustified panic over this outbreak.

 

On 3/5/2020 at 7:38 PM, BWitcher said:

Older patient, in and out of hospital, sounds like was on last legs with or without coronavirus.

 

On 3/5/2020 at 9:34 PM, Grachan said:

17,000 a year, on average, die from flu in England. Yeah. Whatever. Who cares?

1 already frail person dies in Reading after testing positive for covid-19 and you can't get bog roll any more.

 

On 3/5/2020 at 10:07 PM, BWitcher said:

600 v 1... hmm.. 

As ever, the gullible minorities get wound up by the media and governments are forced to act to appease them.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths

 

 

On 3/6/2020 at 9:36 AM, Vince said:

From a government report into flu vaccines :Since 2003, 860 cases of avian influenza A(H5N1) have been reported including 454 deaths, giving an overall case fatality rate of 53%. Cases have been reported from 16 countries. From 01 January 2018 to 09 April 2019, no futher cases have been reported.

Looking at the fatality rate you have to wonder why we are arguing about whether it is 1% or 3% for the current outbreak. Remember bird flu was just as big a thing in the press a few years back as coronavirus is now.

https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/influenza-flu would seem to be a reputable source.

Average of 600 people die annually in the UK from flu complications however there have been two recent winters where it has been well over 10,000. The latest bad winter of 2013 - 2014 had 11,000 deaths and it has to be remembered that this is against a background of the most vulnerable being vaccinated. The estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths because of flu worldwide each year puts the current situation into some sort of perspective though in my opinion.

I'm still not going to stay indoors, wear a mask or avoid people. If any good comes of this perhaps it will make all those minty buggers who leave the toilet without washing their hands change their ways!

 

On 3/7/2020 at 3:36 PM, stevebrum said:

The next of the ‘lethal’ viruses to hit the UK which everybody is worrying about. Thanks to the scare mongering media.

No doubt we will still be having this discussion when the next ‘killer’ virus hits our shores in the next few years.

Meanwhile the common flu will still kill more vulnerable people this year. 

 

On 3/7/2020 at 9:15 PM, teaboy279 said:

I have no concerns over the virus, what does concern me is any potential over reactions to the virus affecting me going to Warsaw. Paid everything on non refundable rates.... lol

 

On 3/10/2020 at 3:43 PM, BWitcher said:

Dr Harries on BBC Breakfast News:

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe.""

So self isolate and stay indoors... errmmm...

 

On 3/12/2020 at 9:30 AM, BWitcher said:

It's highly probably that thousands of us have got it or already had it.

Let's face it, if you have a bit of a cough and a mild cold do you rush to your doctor? No.

If you called the dedicated lines in England with mild symptoms, you are told to stay at home, you aren't tested.

The only country that has adopted a thorough testing process is South Korea. They've tested 140,000 so far and as a result the death rate works out at 0.76% there. Even then they haven't tested everyone as mentioned above, many with the milder symptoms won't get tested, so the actual death rate will be lower.

 

 

On 3/13/2020 at 9:19 AM, Vince said:

Seems to me that schools closing are likely to put many of the more vulnerable in harms way as in so many cases Grandparents will be taking on the childcare. So in a classroom where one vulnerable teacher might be at risk from say 30 students we could have 20 or 30 grandparents at risk from the same children. Whatever measures you take to try and limit the spread will always have consequences and the very best you are gong to do is slow it down a bit.

My opinion is that we should let the majority of the population carry on as normal and put all resources into testing and helping the most vulnerable. Those people could be receiving some very good care already if those who are very unlikely to suffer more than a dose of flu weren't so selfish.

 Speaking to somebody working on the NHS helpline last night and she was telling me how at one time they had 200 calls waiting and dropped 2000 calls. People waiting an hour to chat about their cold and a GP refusing to see a vomiting child supposedly because of coronavirus when it's not even a symptom. How many of those dropped calls were from people in genuine need of help who were put at risk by the same selfish morons that think toilet rolls are the answer?

 It is mass hysteria whipped up by the press and now politicians have been put under pressure to act solely because of the public concern created.

 

On 3/13/2020 at 10:23 AM, HGould said:

Don't understand the panic and pessimism on here.

Leave it to the EXPERTS who seem to believe that large or small outdoor crowds are not an issue and that for the time being events can go ahead. IF a Speedway rider gets the virus, no doubt his Club(s) should have a different view as Arsenal have had with their manager.

Its up to the individual to decide, I'm going to Birmingham if it's on and will take the risk.

What's the point of closing schools??. Keep the little blighters together in groups of their own age range and self isolate if any get symptoms. Why, because if schools are closed the little blighters are far more likely to be running about surrounded by older folk like me who they are far more likely to infect in Sainsburys between 9 and 5 if they are unleashed.

Once you impose a ban on sport, how long does it last, 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks..I think if you ban speedway until July/August, then you will kill half the clubs as people will find something else to do and won't return for a meaningless 1/2 season. If it has to close, it has to close, but panic never won any argument.

 

   

 

On 3/13/2020 at 10:33 AM, BWitcher said:

The problem is precisely that its not being left to the experts and the panic mongers must be appeased..

The media has a section of the public too scared now. Some believe its a death sentence if their 14 year old daughter catches it.. yet there is more chance of them being run over by a car than dying from coronavirus.

As for imposing all the bans on sports, realistically, if you're doing that over 4800 deaths.. it should never run again in the winter. I read that the CDC figures showed influenza deaths to be over 60,000 in the same time period as Covid-19 has killed 4800.

Forget the differences between the two for a moment, and imagine if the media were hyping 60,000 deaths... 

 

On 3/14/2020 at 8:46 PM, PotteringAround said:

Because the virus transmits very poorly outdoors.   Even in a 60,000+ crowd at Manchester United or Arsenal, if there was a fan with the virus, the absolute worst he could probably do is infect the two people sat either side of him, but that's far less likely than the chances of infecting the people either side of you in a supermarket bog roll queue.     I'll wager the calling off of football is more about protecting the players who have an asset value of billions, than the fear thousands of fans could be infected.

I'm guessing "county indoor bowls" isn't an outdoor stadium sport.  More a few people in close proximity indoors.

 

On 3/14/2020 at 10:28 PM, BWitcher said:

Interested to read that on 23rd January it was stated that half a million people had contracted the flu in Italy..... in one week.

Now that is a virus that spreads quickly... 

It could also be another reason for higher death rates in Italy.. if elderly people have been hit with the flu.. followed by this in a short space, they're going to be weaker.

It continues to be the lack of testing that means a true clear picture is extremely difficult to form.

It will be interesting how the US testing goes as they're offering it free to all. A larger sample may provide a better picture.

Germany continues to test to a higher degree than most countries... death rate 0.19% at the moment.

 

 

On 3/15/2020 at 12:39 PM, BWitcher said:

However, Italy is the country that traditionally 'stays inside' the most at this time of year.

And they have the highest death rate from flu every year..

And the same with Covid-19.

 

On 3/15/2020 at 1:28 PM, Blupanther said:

Influenza can lead to thousands of deaths a year. The World Health Organisation estimates that an average of up to 500,000 people die annually across the globe due to the flu. In 2008-2009 there were 13,000 deaths in the UK alone related to the flu. The coronavirus is not nearly as deadly as the common flu, which experts have warned should still take priority in the medical battle...

 

On 3/15/2020 at 1:39 PM, BWitcher said:

You've never had the media screaming about it either.

And that's the point.. it's not the virus that is scary... its the panic caused by the media.. that panic causes places organisations to act.. 

Then politics comes into play and the opposition in countries uses it to their advantage and whips up people and criticises governments for inaction... so they're forced to act.

The UK has actually been the strongest government in trying not to bow to this pressure... but as organisations around them such as the Premier League cave in, it leaves them out on their own and will soon be forced to do the same.

The collateral damage from all of this panic is going to be massive... the damage from the virus, very very minor indeed (on a world scale).

 

On 3/15/2020 at 1:39 PM, BWitcher said:

and THIS is precisely the problem.

"We are not safe". Give it a rest.

 

On 3/15/2020 at 1:42 PM, Blupanther said:

People need to turn off their TV sets, fear porn is very addictive 

 

On 3/15/2020 at 3:15 PM, BWitcher said:

Personally, I still think its just a constant case of appeasement.

 

On 3/15/2020 at 7:49 PM, Blupanther said:

It's not a good time to catch a common cold, some fool will have you down as the grim reaper ...

Only got to page 23. What a bunch of pr!cks you lot are. Didn’t even get to Ray Stadia’s cracking contribution. No hindsight involved either, we were all warned this was coming, but of course it was all “hysteria” and “overblown nonsense”. Should be embarrassed the lot of you. 

[BluPanther]

When MSM hysteria completely obliterates rational thinking in a person 

[iris123]

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Only got to page 23. What a bunch of pr!cks you lot are. Didn’t even get to Ray Stadia’s cracking contribution. No hindsight involved either, we were all warned this was coming, but of course it was all “hysteria” and “overblown nonsense”. Should be embarrassed the lot of you. 

Not sure why you put me in there, as I was the one arguing with some guy who said going into a stadium full of fans would only affect one other person.........I said it would affect a lot more. And it seems recent studies have shown that sneezing or coughing will certainly spread the virus further than originally thought

Then again the person arguing otherwise seems to have gone very quiet in the past few weeks. I won't bother asking for an apology from someone like you though.

Must say, I am impressed with your use of the quote facility

[Ray Stadia]

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Only got to page 23. What a bunch of pr!cks you lot are. Didn’t even get to Ray Stadia’s cracking contribution. No hindsight involved either, we were all warned this was coming, but of course it was all “hysteria” and “overblown nonsense”. Should be embarrassed the lot of you. 

I refer you to the reply I gave Steve Irving (Is that really his name?). 

[YerRopes]

Everyone's obviously entitled to their own views.. 

It helps to put forward a rational argument though.. 

[Ray Stadia]

2 minutes ago, YerRopes said:

Everyone's obviously entitled to their own views.. 

It helps to put forward a rational argument though.. 

My comment was made a few weeks ago now and things have moved on since. Have my views changed? I will say that I am FULLY adhering to the current rules. However, my original comment centred around a speedway riders concern about how he was going to earn money, as I recall. I am still concerned about that for the self employed (which I am), for those who live hand to mouth, for those that don't 'fit' with the furlough scheme. For those who are company directors who pay themselves small salaries, which will mean they will be ineligible for anything. Bearing in mind the current speedway demographic, is mainly those who are retired with a fixed income, it's possible the 'how can I put food on the table' doesn't impact on them. And maybe, it is those people on this forum who are criticising (some in a childish fashion), peoples views and opinions, that don't agree with theirs.

 

[Vince]

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Only got to page 23. What a bunch of pr!cks you lot are. Didn’t even get to Ray Stadia’s cracking contribution. No hindsight involved either, we were all warned this was coming, but of course it was all “hysteria” and “overblown nonsense”. Should be embarrassed the lot of you. 

Nicely put, logical argument. Couldn't even be bothered to follow the comments past the first few pages.

It's a forum where people give their opinions, you don't have to agree, if you had half a brain you could make a sensible argument. However you find it easier to just rock up, read a few pages and abuse people.

Only embarrassing thing about this is being called names by a complete w&nker like yourself 

[Arch Stanton]

Must admit I’ve followed this thread from the beginning and found myself shaking my head in disbelief at some of the contributions. Steve Irving you could have literally made a greatest hits from Bwitcher alone, but I didn’t expect anything less from him in all honesty. Some of the others have been disappointing to say the least. 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Arch Stanton