Corona virus

[greyhoundp]

Since Boris Johnson allegedly said yesterday that no medical coverage would be allowed at outdoor gatherings for 12 weeks, (something iv looked for but been unable to confirm) i would suspect that counts out any sporting events that need medical cover for 12 weeks which takes us up to the 8th June according to my calculations. If thats true then many competitions will be unable to continue, complete or even be held at all.

[iris123]

  On 3/17/2020 at 7:06 PM, greyhoundp said:

Since Boris Johnson allegedly said yesterday that no medical coverage would be allowed at outdoor gatherings for 12 weeks, (something iv looked for but been unable to confirm) i would suspect that counts out any sporting events that need medical cover for 12 weeks which takes us up to the 8th June according to my calculations. If thats true then many competitions will be unable to continue, complete or even be held at all.

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Not sure on the situation in the UK, but know from experience of a meeting in Denmark. The medical cover is only necessary for the public, not the sportsmen. In this case speedway riders. Was a meeting being run and a rider had an accident and the ambulance had to leave and it took ages for it to return and the promoter had the choice of calling the meeting off, as they had no floodlights and it was going to get dark, or ask the public to leave and carry on the meeting without medical cover....of course I guess the riders have to agree, but that was the law

[The Third Man]

  On 3/17/2020 at 7:14 PM, iris123 said:

Not sure on the situation in the UK, but know from experience of a meeting in Denmark. The medical cover is only necessary for the public, not the sportsmen. In this case speedway riders. Was a meeting being run and a rider had an accident and the ambulance had to leave and it took ages for it to return and the promoter had the choice of calling the meeting off, as they had no floodlights and it was going to get dark, or ask the public to leave and carry on the meeting without medical cover....of course I guess the riders have to agree, but that was the law

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The medical cover here is for the riders

if a supporter gets ill the racing has to stop while the paramedics deal with it

[uk_martin]

  On 3/17/2020 at 7:14 PM, iris123 said:

Not sure on the situation in the UK, but know from experience of a meeting in Denmark. The medical cover is only necessary for the public, not the sportsmen. In this case speedway riders. Was a meeting being run and a rider had an accident and the ambulance had to leave and it took ages for it to return and the promoter had the choice of calling the meeting off, as they had no floodlights and it was going to get dark, or ask the public to leave and carry on the meeting without medical cover....of course I guess the riders have to agree, but that was the law

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UK meetings have either a Red Cross or St Johns Ambulance in attendance, with volunteer crews and one duty paramedic. The ambulance and it's crew are there for riders and the public. Not sure what the equipment levels in these ambulances are, but plenty has been the time when a "county ambulance" has been summoned. (a quaint term when you are in a big city lol) But basically from a lay-perspective, the Ambulance cover seems to be there to basically provide an on-site mobile medical facility. If someone needs taking to hospital it's a 999 call and an NHS ambulance that's called in to do the hospital run.  Maybe that's different the further from a hospital you are. Birmingham's track is only 15 minutes from the nearest hospital, arrangements may be different for more remote tracks.

[Wolfsbane]

  On 3/17/2020 at 8:42 AM, iainb said:

You'd hope that Branson would dip into his $4 billion to help folk out wouldn't you?

If he were to divide his fortune amongst his employees each one would receive $466,690... probably enough to see them through

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If he's short of a few bob he could flog his Carribean island. He's made a hell of a lot of money out of the labours of his employees over the years. Now they need him, he's gone missing. Shouldn't get a penny piece out of the taxpayer.

[Bald Bloke]

The care home where my daughter works has stopped visits. Must be hard to explain that to the dementia patients. 

[RobMcCaffery]

  On 3/18/2020 at 12:15 AM, Bald Bloke said:

The care home where my daughter works has stopped visits. Must be hard to explain that to the dementia patients. 

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Having had to cope with the 'death before death' of both parents I doubt many would realise, tragically. 

[no-brakes-uk]

  On 3/17/2020 at 8:28 PM, Wolfsbane said:

If he's short of a few bob he could flog his Carribean island. He's made a hell of a lot of money out of the labours of his employees over the years. Now they need him, he's gone missing. Shouldn't get a penny piece out of the taxpayer.

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Branson only owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic. The rest is owned by Air France KLM and Delta Airlines

[Wolfsbane]

  On 3/18/2020 at 5:56 AM, no-brakes-uk said:

Branson only owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic. The rest is owned by Air France KLM and Delta Airlines

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And?

[MattK]

  On 3/17/2020 at 8:28 PM, Wolfsbane said:

If he's short of a few bob he could flog his Carribean island. He's made a hell of a lot of money out of the labours of his employees over the years. Now they need him, he's gone missing. Shouldn't get a penny piece out of the taxpayer.

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I've seen a few people say this. Let's just say the UK airline industry receives no state support and Virgin Atlantic goes bust. Branson is still there on his private island surrounded by supermodels, but how does that help their employees who've lost their jobs?

[Wolfsbane]

  On 3/18/2020 at 8:38 AM, MattK said:

I've seen a few people say this. Let's just say the UK airline industry receives no state support and Virgin Atlantic goes bust. Branson is still there on his private island surrounded by supermodels, but how does that help their employees who've lost their jobs?

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'If he's short of a few bob he could flog his Caribbean island'.

[MattK]

  On 3/18/2020 at 9:05 AM, Wolfsbane said:

'If he's short of a few bob he could flog his Caribbean island'.

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He's not short of a few bob, that's the point. His share of Virgin Atlantic is worth about £70m. It won't materially impact him if it goes bust, but it will have significant impacts on the livelihoods of the circa 8,500 employees.

[Wolfsbane]

  On 3/18/2020 at 10:01 AM, MattK said:

He's not short of a few bob, that's the point. His share of Virgin Atlantic is worth about £70m. It won't materially impact him if it goes bust, but it will have significant impacts on the livelihoods of the circa 8,500 employees.

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The point of the original post was that once he's used up all of his own money supporting the employees who got him where he is he can then come for taxpayer cash. 

[MattK]

  On 3/18/2020 at 10:26 AM, Wolfsbane said:

The point of the original post was that once he's used up all of his own money supporting the employees who got him where he is he can then come for taxpayer cash. 

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The original post is nonsense. Firstly, having a net worth of £4bn is not the same as having lots of cash sitting around, which is precisely what companies need when they are have cash flow problems.

Secondly, the government guarantees asked for by the airline industry does not primarily help Branson, they help the employees of Virgin Atlantic who stand to be impacted much more if the company folds than Branson does.

[jrs]

  On 3/18/2020 at 5:56 AM, no-brakes-uk said:

Branson only owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic. The rest is owned by Air France KLM and Delta Airlines

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It's Delta that pull the strings at Virgin now.

[rusky]

  On 3/17/2020 at 8:05 PM, uk_martin said:

UK meetings have either a Red Cross or St Johns Ambulance in attendance, with volunteer crews and one duty paramedic. The ambulance and it's crew are there for riders and the public. Not sure what the equipment levels in these ambulances are, but plenty has been the time when a "county ambulance" has been summoned. (a quaint term when you are in a big city lol) But basically from a lay-perspective, the Ambulance cover seems to be there to basically provide an on-site mobile medical facility. If someone needs taking to hospital it's a 999 call and an NHS ambulance that's called in to do the hospital run.  Maybe that's different the further from a hospital you are. Birmingham's track is only 15 minutes from the nearest hospital, arrangements may be different for more remote tracks.

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In the days when I was involved in speedway, the reason for a 'County' Ambulance is priority at A&E. Effectively (so we were told) private ambulances are not emergency ambulances, hence the lower priority.

 

[tyretrax]

  On 3/18/2020 at 2:11 PM, rusky said:

In the days when I was involved in speedway, the reason for a 'County' Ambulance is priority at A&E. Effectively (so we were told) private ambulances are not emergency ambulances, hence the lower priority.

 

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Different situation now though.

[DBP]

Just seen that Daniel Bewley thinks corona virus is a joke and that its not a major threat, he's winging that he's out of work, well millions of others are in the same boat.

Just hope non of his relatives catch the virus he then might change his tune selfish little sod.

[Ray Stadia]

  On 3/19/2020 at 11:17 AM, DBP said:

Just seen that Daniel Bewley thinks corona virus is a joke and that its not a major threat, he's winging that he's out of work, well millions of others are in the same boat.

Just hope non of his relatives catch the virus he then might change his tune selfish little sod.

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I do feel sorry for all those who are self employed and those that live from hand to mouth, which runs into millions. In my opinion, globally, it has become an over blown hysteria. I blame the hysteria on the media and social media, which have both put severe pressure on the worlds governments. If this had happened, say, 10 or 20 years ago, when social media was still in its infancy, it would have been in the news yes, but not wall to wall and 24/7 and it would have been another seasonal virus that we needed to dodge, if possible. But the Genie is out now and God help us all! The worry for me, is not so much the virus, but the way man has reacted across the world. Two words worry me, civil unrest 

[waytogo28]

  On 3/19/2020 at 11:17 AM, DBP said:

Just seen that Daniel Bewley thinks corona virus is a joke and that its not a major threat, he's winging that he's out of work, well millions of others are in the same boat.

Just hope non of his relatives catch the virus he then might change his tune selfish little sod.

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It's almost certainly not a threat to Dan Bewley as he is young and fit, but yes stand well back. his older relatives and family friends.

Anyone who cannot see that it is a major threat to the over 60s and those with major medical complication and conditions is short sighted, unthinking and .......