waytogo28 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Vince said: So far in this century, like a cat with 9 lives I've managed to survive Mad cow disease (not the 80's version, the new one from the middle of last year) Sars (another coronavirus) TB Ebola a Flu pandemic Possibly Brexit - although that might be premature. and probably more that I cant remember. All of which according to the press were likely to result in vast swathes of people dropping dead worldwide. (possible exception for Brexit but I thought it was funny) As a child of the 60's there are another 39 years before that where I was fortunate enough to survive all sorts of certain death such as lead paint, wrapping asbestos string around exhausts and working on asbestos brakes, walking through a workplace without a bright yellow vest on, lifting more than 25kg all on my own and so on. So no matter what the press and internet tell me I'm going to keep riding my luck and carry on just as I am without giving a toss A well written obituary for someone who never makes any kind of a risk assessment. A life lived withour a care in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdjfan Posted March 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 I'm not actually thinking fans I'm thinking of the riders flying in and out of Europe on a weekly basis! Will it get to a stage where they all start getting stranded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, bdjfan said: I'm not actually thinking fans I'm thinking of the riders flying in and out of Europe on a weekly basis! Will it get to a stage where they all start getting stranded! Once the outbreak is out of control there's no real point in travel restrictions, the horse has bolted... it will then be down to the vulnerable to look out for themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: A well written obituary for someone who never makes any kind of a risk assessment. A life lived withour a care in the world. I actually had to write risk assessments for Motocross tracks....that was a pretty silly thing to have to worry about too! It's possible to pick and choose the things you worry about. Until and unless this virus becomes a serious risk to a reasonable number of us I choose to worry about other things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vince said: I actually had to write risk assessments for Motocross tracks....that was a pretty silly thing to have to worry about too! It's possible to pick and choose the things you worry about. Until and unless this virus becomes a serious risk to a reasonable number of us I choose to worry about other things. When you say us... you mean you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, bdjfan said: I'm not actually thinking fans I'm thinking of the riders flying in and out of Europe on a weekly basis! Will it get to a stage where they all start getting stranded! Who can say ? As I posted yesterday fans from Milan are banned from traveling to Turin today for a match, but obviously the players from Milan aren’t ...... But there are some cyclists stranded in the Middle East somewhere and were thinking of going on hunger strike !!! And hoping the press could put pressure to allow them to carry on their season .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, iainb said: When you say us... you mean you? No, us is plural so obviously I didn't mean me! I meant us as a country generally and if an outbreak happened in the far North I could equally mean us in the south. But I meant a significant risk to this country in reality not in press and internet scare stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 I have a couple of trips due this year. One is to Germany in April. The other involves changing flights in Hong Kong. The general feeling seems to be, that Hong Kong is risky. There's the case of the Rugby player who has pulled out of training with the England squad today because he changed flights in Hong Kong. But, if you look at the figures, I would say Germany and the UK are actually a greater risk than Hong Kong airport. Hong Kong is now on 100 cases. Germany is nearly double that. The UK is getting a lot of cases recently and is now over half as many people as Hong Kong - where it seems to have virtually stopped in recent weeks. By June I think flying via Hong Kong will not be a problem. Maybe I should worry more about going to Germany? Or even staying in the UK and getting the tube in London? Or is it a lot of fuss over a bad cold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 They seem to think it could peak in May / June time and seem to be pushing towards delaying until then for the reasons that warmer weather reduces the spread and impact and that the NHS will be more able to cope. I guess it also builds in time for contagian to lessen possibly and for some kind of vaccine to be found. It would seem sports events in late may / June / July are currently more at risk so if Speedway fans decide it's safe to do so on a person by person basis at least the season should start and get to some point in late May on the current model. I would think what happens in Poland and Scandinavia will dictate a lot of travel plans for our sport in particular. Can see some bumper early crowds if people think Sport could be affected in mid summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 17 hours ago, YerRopes said: 12-16K (depending on source) have died of flu in the US this winter. Puts things in perspective a bit. Mortality rates for seasonal flu is 0.1% Government says mortality rate for coronavirus will be 1% The maths of the current mortality rate is around 3.5% Do the maths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, iainb said: Mortality rates for seasonal flu is 0.1% Government says mortality rate for coronavirus will be 1% The maths of the current mortality rate is around 3.5% Do the maths Many people will have had this and had it mildly. Those cases might not have been tested, particularly in countries where getting a test is expensive. So the 3.5% is probably a lot higher than reality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Grachan said: Many people will have had this and had it mildly. Those cases might not have been tested, particularly in countries where getting a test is expensive. So the 3.5% is probably a lot higher than reality. The same applies for recorded figures of other illnesses. Surely it has to be based on reported cases, so for reported cases of seasonal flu, 0.1% of people die. Statistics never really tell the whole story but I agree with what point I think you're making in that there is unjustified panic over this outbreak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Grachan said: I have a couple of trips due this year. One is to Germany in April. The other involves changing flights in Hong Kong. The general feeling seems to be, that Hong Kong is risky. There's the case of the Rugby player who has pulled out of training with the England squad today because he changed flights in Hong Kong. But, if you look at the figures, I would say Germany and the UK are actually a greater risk than Hong Kong airport. Hong Kong is now on 100 cases. Germany is nearly double that. The UK is getting a lot of cases recently and is now over half as many people as Hong Kong - where it seems to have virtually stopped in recent weeks. By June I think flying via Hong Kong will not be a problem. Maybe I should worry more about going to Germany? Or even staying in the UK and getting the tube in London? Or is it a lot of fuss over a bad cold? My young lady lives and works in Hong Kong and they have a total - so far of ...100 infections. The UK will catch that up over the weeknd! The most recent problem in Hong Kong was an infected Brit flying in and then catching the train to Shenzhen while infected and merrily infecting Hong Kongers and Chinese people alike. Straight into quarantine there. Which we have never bothered to do so far at UK airports!. At the HK airport - less risk than Heathrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Grachan said: I have a couple of trips due this year. One is to Germany in April. The other involves changing flights in Hong Kong. The general feeling seems to be, that Hong Kong is risky. There's the case of the Rugby player who has pulled out of training with the England squad today because he changed flights in Hong Kong. But, if you look at the figures, I would say Germany and the UK are actually a greater risk than Hong Kong airport. Hong Kong is now on 100 cases. Germany is nearly double that. The UK is getting a lot of cases recently and is now over half as many people as Hong Kong - where it seems to have virtually stopped in recent weeks. By June I think flying via Hong Kong will not be a problem. Maybe I should worry more about going to Germany? Or even staying in the UK and getting the tube in London? Or is it a lot of fuss over a bad cold? But look at the size of Germany compared to Hong Kong Airport and double the amount is nothing even if you take the whole of Hong Kong into account. By those numbers you would certainly have more chance of coming into contact with the virus in HK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, iris123 said: But look at the size of Germany compared to Hong Kong Airport and double the amount is nothing even if you take the whole of Hong Kong into account. By those numbers you would certainly have more chance of coming into contact with the virus in HK Although the numbers in UK and Germany are increasing at a more rapid rate than in Honkers. I think it's all probably fairly regionalised at the moment regardless of which country you are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Grachan said: Although the numbers in UK and Germany are increasing at a more rapid rate than in Honkers. I think it's all probably fairly regionalised at the moment regardless of which country you are in. That is true. I think some villages/towns in Germany have more cases than some Cities. Not 100% sure, but Hamburg had 1 case. And that was someone who lived outside and worked in Hamburg. So he sort of got counted twice at one stage, both for Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein, where he lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, iris123 said: That is true. I think some villages/towns in Germany have more cases than some Cities. Not 100% sure, but Hamburg had 1 case. And that was someone who lived outside and worked in Hamburg. So he sort of got counted twice at one stage, both for Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein, where he lives Where in Germany is it mostly? I'm due to go to the Frankfurt/Heidelberg area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Grachan said: Where in Germany is it mostly? I'm due to go to the Frankfurt/Heidelberg area. Think North Rhein Westfalia is most affected, which probably isn't a surprise considering the large population there. But Hessen, where you are heading also has 12 confirmed cases. I think here is the whole of North Germany, i.e Hamburg Bremen,Schleswig-Holstein, Lower Saxony and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern there aren't as many. 6 or 7 I think... Update :24 now in the north, 5 in Hamburg Edited March 4, 2020 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) The news yesterday that Zielona Góra has the first case in Poland, and that all mass events in the city, including sport have been cancelled for the next two weeks must be worrying for speedway in Poland. We are at a point now where if cases increase, as seems likely, sport will happen behind closed doors, if at all. Certainly in Poland at any rate. Edited March 5, 2020 by stewmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-patient-in-uk-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19-11950440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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