Corona virus

[HGould]

I'm with Rob with this.

It is a virus and so far has affected China (whether you believe the conspiracy theories about lab creation or from animals is irrelevant) Iran and Italy and in vast majority of cases has been passed and be traced to hot spots.

Only a few cases in UK out of about 50 can't be linked to mainly Italy or China/Iran.

No need for over-reaction, no need for panic and no need for abuse. 

Attendence at any sporting event in voluntary, let the individual decide.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by HGould
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[IainB]

2 minutes ago, HGould said:

I'm with Rob with this.

It is a virus and so far has affected China (whether you believe the conspiracy theories about lab creation or from animals is irrelevant) Iran and Italy and in vast majority of cases has been passed and be traced to hot spots.

Only a few cases in UK out of about 50 can't be linked to mainly Italy or China/Iran.

No need for over-reaction, no need for panic and no need for abuse. 

Attendence at any sporting event in voluntary, let the individual decide.

 

 

50 people wandering around for 2-3 weeks unknowingly infecting others around them, who in turn do the same etc. etc.

You can't let the individual decide. The experiment that the BBC ran predicted 48,000,000 infections and half a million dead and that was at a 1% mortality rate, the mortality rate is currently at 3%

One thing we can agree on is no need for abuse

[BWitcher]

11 minutes ago, iainb said:

50 people wandering around for 2-3 weeks unknowingly infecting others around them, who in turn do the same etc. etc.

You can't let the individual decide. The experiment that the BBC ran predicted 48,000,000 infections and half a million dead and that was at a 1% mortality rate, the mortality rate is currently at 3%

One thing we can agree on is no need for abuse

3% based upon those they know who have had it.. factor in all those who have likely had it and it drops massively.

Deaths are investigated.. people with a mild cold are not.

Edited March 3, 2020 by BWitcher

[IainB]

4 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

3% based upon those they know who have had it.. factor in all those who have likely had it and it drops massively.

Deaths are investigated.. people with a mild cold are not.

Age of Coronavirus Deaths

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

AGE	DEATH RATE confirmed cases	DEATH RATE all cases
80+ years old	21.9%	14.8%
70-79 years old		8.0%
60-69 years old		3.6%
50-59 years old		1.3%
40-49 years old		0.4%
30-39 years old		0.2%
20-29 years old		0.2%
10-19 years old		0.2%
0-9 years old		no fatalities

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). The percentages do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group.

In general, relatively few cases are seen among children.

[BluPanther]

Looks like iainb has drunk the MSM kool aid  

[YerRopes]

12-16K (depending on source) have died of flu in the US this winter. 

Puts things in perspective a bit. 

[IainB]

30 minutes ago, YerRopes said:

12-16K (depending on source) have died of flu in the US this winter. 

Puts things in perspective a bit. 

Yes it does... and there's a vaccine for that and you start to show symptoms pretty quickly as there's around a 2 day incubation period, not 2-3 weeks.

The question here is not who's right and who's wrong but how wrong do you let it get before doing something about it? Do we wait until 17,000 die before starting to act on it? You only have to do 1x2x3x4x5x6 etc. into a calculator before you start to come up with some very scary numbers!

[iris123]

5 minutes ago, iainb said:

Yes it does... and there's a vaccine for that and you start to show symptoms pretty quickly as there's around a 2 day incubation period, not 2-3 weeks.

The question here is not who's right and who's wrong but how wrong do you let it get before doing something about it? Do we wait until 17,000 die before starting to act on it? You only have to do 1x2x3x4x5x6 etc. into a calculator before you start to come up with some very scary numbers!

You are talking about the flu as if it is one stable disease, which it is not. There are a number of different 'flu's' and vaccines have to be regularly found for new variants. Plus it is generally guess work as to which flu to vaccinate people with beforehand.....

[IainB]

1 minute ago, iris123 said:

You are talking about the flu as if it is one stable disease, which it is not. There are a number of different 'flu's' and vaccines have to be regularly found for new variants. Plus it is generally guess work as to which flu to vaccinate people with beforehand.....

When we're talking about flu, I'm assuming we're talking about seasonal flu and the vaccine inoculates against multiple variants on what is predicted to be the most prevalent

[iris123]

1 minute ago, iainb said:

When we're talking about flu, I'm assuming we're talking about seasonal flu and the vaccine inoculates against multiple variants on what is predicted to be the most prevalent

Exactly. A prediction, r as I said, guess.......and vaccines are regularly updated/changed as the flu mutates.....

[IainB]

Just now, iris123 said:

Exactly. A prediction, r as I said, guess.......and vaccines are regularly updated/changed as the flu mutates.....

and it takes around a year

[iris123]

3 minutes ago, iainb said:

and it takes around a year

And over the past few years there have been shortages of vaccines anyway.......

[IainB]

Just now, iris123 said:

And over the past few years there have been shortages of vaccines anyway.......

so we've all had it  at least I got to see Leicester win the league... in Speedway & Football 

[BWitcher]

14 minutes ago, iainb said:

When we're talking about flu, I'm assuming we're talking about seasonal flu and the vaccine inoculates against multiple variants on what is predicted to be the most prevalent

So.. there's a vaccine.. and there's still 12-16,000 died from it in the US..

Whereas the one without a vaccine has killed 2 in the US.

 

[Vince]

So far in this century, like a cat with 9 lives I've managed to survive

Mad cow disease (not the 80's version, the new one from the middle of last year)

Sars (another coronavirus)

TB

Ebola

a Flu pandemic

Possibly Brexit - although that might be premature.

and probably more that I cant remember.

All of which according to the press were likely to result in vast swathes of people dropping dead worldwide. (possible exception for Brexit but I thought it was funny)

As a child of the 60's there are another 39 years before that where I was fortunate enough to survive all sorts of certain death such as lead paint, wrapping asbestos string around exhausts and working on asbestos brakes, walking through a workplace without a bright yellow vest on, lifting more than 25kg all on my own and so on.

 So no matter what the press and internet tell me I'm going to keep riding my luck and carry on just as I am without giving a toss

Edited March 3, 2020 by Vince

[The White Knight]

4 hours ago, iainb said:

Age of Coronavirus Deaths

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

AGE	DEATH RATE confirmed cases	DEATH RATE all cases
80+ years old	21.9%	14.8%
70-79 years old		8.0%
60-69 years old		3.6%
50-59 years old		1.3%
40-49 years old		0.4%
30-39 years old		0.2%
20-29 years old		0.2%
10-19 years old		0.2%
0-9 years old		no fatalities

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). The percentages do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group.

In general, relatively few cases are seen among children.

Mmmmmmm - I wish you hadn't posted this Chart. I'm far too near the to for my liking. 

 

[IainB]

16 minutes ago, The White Knight said:

Mmmmmmm - I wish you hadn't posted this Chart. I'm far too near the to for my liking. 

 

I'm passing from one band to the other in June, so I hope it's gone by then 

[The White Knight]

1 minute ago, iainb said:

I'm passing from one band to the other in June, so I hope it's gone by then 

Me too. 

[pete cc]

4 hours ago, Vince said:

So far in this century, like a cat with 9 lives I've managed to survive

Mad cow disease (not the 80's version, the new one from the middle of last year)

Sars (another coronavirus)

TB

Ebola

a Flu pandemic

Possibly Brexit - although that might be premature.

and probably more that I cant remember.

All of which according to the press were likely to result in vast swathes of people dropping dead worldwide. (possible exception for Brexit but I thought it was funny)

As a child of the 60's there are another 39 years before that where I was fortunate enough to survive all sorts of certain death such as lead paint, wrapping asbestos string around exhausts and working on asbestos brakes, walking through a workplace without a bright yellow vest on, lifting more than 25kg all on my own and so on.

 So no matter what the press and internet tell me I'm going to keep riding my luck and carry on just as I am without giving a toss

You missed HIV (aids). 

 

[keepturningleft]

I've got Mcafee anti virus, so I'll be ok.