HGould Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Be interesting to see what entry / level qualification is for Riders. Going to be interesting with no PL Club north of Sheffield or South of Swindon and a cluster in East Anglia. Monday and Thursday not exactly great for kids either with school and traveling! Seems the door may have been left open to CL/NDL to run but not with use of dormant Club names? Edited February 19, 2020 by HGould added 3rd line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 this thing about school and travelling is a myth for speedway kids. the parents understand the time and effort required to even make a junior league rider let alone a league rider. if the kids cant make a meeting that starts usually around 9pm after finishing school at 3.30 there is something wrong. my lads going to be Wolverhampton mascot this year and he will be picked up a 3.40 arrive at track for 6pm do his laps watch the meeting then set off home around 9.30 to 10 and arrive back around midnight sleeps in the van gets up 7.30 for school and eat sleep then repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Sadly the DL clubs have to focus on the Championship and National League tracks. Effectively though they have only lost seven tracks, although seeing it written down it still looks harsh. I see the press release refers to tidying up the system. That's to fit in with the rest of speedway in Britain.....isn't it? Somehow I managed to keep a straight face while writing that. I wish the new competition well, and the development leagues too. Anything that adds to the value for money for supporters has to be welcomed. Consideration for volunteers and supporters? That would be a nice idea ;-) Edited February 19, 2020 by RobMcCaffery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Pairman Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 7:58 AM, Sings4Speedway said: Some very nasty rumours starting to circulate that the nomad clubs have been denied entry into the MSDL this year effectively leaving Birmingham & IOW and therefore no league at all? Does anybody know who is responsible for the petty decisions to remove one of the most important breeding grounds for future UK talent as i am amongst a list who are waiting to here genuine reasoning behind it..... .....it currently stinks like its being pushed out the way for the new diluted NL next season. There are a lot of dedicated supporters and volunteers who have given up thousands of pounds and hours to assist riders and this feels like a brutal kick to everyone involved. Can someone please clarify what is happening? From the above post, it sounded like opportunities for junior riders were being swept aside, along with the nomadic team names. From the BSPA press release though, it seems there will be greater opportunities for junior riders, and it’s only the nomadic names that are being restricted. Is that right? From what it looks to me, as well as the initiative in the PL, any CL or NDL team could run a junior development league team, so there are more, not less opportunities for juniors. I know the over 40s riders who have been used in the past to pad out MDL/SDL teams will miss out, but there has always been the argument that they shouldn’t have been allowed to ride in these teams in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Firstly the above was prior to todays fanfare. Second why did there have to destroy one league and create another? Surely all these teams could have just entered the existing setup? The opportunities are at best equal to what was exisiting. Why any NL or CL would want to enter the premiership junior league sounds unlikely. There are plenty of riders who have spent thousands preparing for a season, licences purchased and now potentially face an anxious few weeks/months to discover if they will be competing this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Pairman Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Firstly the above was prior to todays fanfare. Second why did there have to destroy one league and create another? Surely all these teams could have just entered the existing setup? The opportunities are at best equal to what was exisiting. Why any NL or CL would want to enter the premiership junior league sounds unlikely. There are plenty of riders who have spent thousands preparing for a season, licences purchased and now potentially face an anxious few weeks/months to discover if they will be competing this season. It looks like maybe you jumped the gun then started a thread with an accusation without first trying to ascertain the facts? I don’t have any answers to your questions but how many is the “plenty of riders”? Is it more than the 28 team places available? Then I could see some would be anxious. If it’s less than 28, then I’d have thought they’d all be excited at the possibility of being part of a top league set up? Because of the enthusiasm of supporters and other hard working individuals, we have moved from a time when there were very few young British riders coming through to a vibrant scene. You just need to look at how many young riders attended the GB Team training camp at the weekend and how many are at the Young Lions course in the Isle of Wight this week. Individuals have stepped in to make this development happen and the often maligned Neil Vatcher deserves great credit for what he’s done, as do those involved with the NJL and, after it was tidied up 3 or 4 years ago by the SCB, the MDL and the newly re-formed SDL. Now we get to 2020 and, at long last, the powers that be in the BSPA rather than individual promoters have picked this up and hopefully will move things even further along. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 I'm very sceptical that this proposed new Premiership Development League will even happen, and if it starts I doubt it will see the season out. People underestimate the amount of work voluteers running MDSL teams put in. (e.g. Carmarthen at Stoke the last few years). Organising to get 4 riders around the country, for no money, for every fixture takes considerable dedication, and I can't imagine Premiership promoters being willing to put in that level of work to make it happen. Will Ipswich be able to find 4 young kids to travel up to Belle Vue, for no money, on a Monday night? Will Sheffield be able to find 4 young kids to travel down to Swindon, for no money, on a Thursday night? The Premiership promoters will feel they have enough to worry about with the Belle Vue v Ipswich, and Swindon v Sheffield PL matches, without having to worry about finding riders for a 2nd half junior league. The second half leagues we've had with the MDL and MDSL over the past 10 years or so have produced numerous young British riders. We need these competitions if we are to develop young British talent, but I fear the BSPA "Bull in a China Shop" approach for 2020 is a huge mistake. Their killing of the MDSL will deprive kids of track time. Of course if the new league does succeed, then young British kids attached to the PL teams will have got good track time from 12 matches (6 home, 6 away). But will that happen??? Check back in October. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabba59 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Let's see what the season brings, hope it works and if it does work next season why not all team's in CL have a team too. Think one of the problems is there are more 125 riders than there is 500 so would there be enough riders to go round? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, PotteringAround said: I'm very sceptical that this proposed new Premiership Development League will even happen, and if it starts I doubt it will see the season out. People underestimate the amount of work voluteers running MDSL teams put in. (e.g. Carmarthen at Stoke the last few years). Organising to get 4 riders around the country, for no money, for every fixture takes considerable dedication, and I can't imagine Premiership promoters being willing to put in that level of work to make it happen. Will Ipswich be able to find 4 young kids to travel up to Belle Vue, for no money, on a Monday night? Will Sheffield be able to find 4 young kids to travel down to Swindon, for no money, on a Thursday night? The Premiership promoters will feel they have enough to worry about with the Belle Vue v Ipswich, and Swindon v Sheffield PL matches, without having to worry about finding riders for a 2nd half junior league. The second half leagues we've had with the MDL and MDSL over the past 10 years or so have produced numerous young British riders. We need these competitions if we are to develop young British talent, but I fear the BSPA "Bull in a China Shop" approach for 2020 is a huge mistake. Their killing of the MDSL will deprive kids of track time. Of course if the new league does succeed, then young British kids attached to the PL teams will have got good track time from 12 matches (6 home, 6 away). But will that happen??? Check back in October. I suspect the response may be. "Hey, you can't run your DL team any more but you can run mine for me" Edited February 19, 2020 by RobMcCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 No more than creaming 16 year olds as assets to build asset banks for PL Teams so that when the cream rises to the top it will become an income stream for the length of the rider career. Some PL Team will do it properly because they care about young riders, Belle Vue certainly do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 20 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Consideration for volunteers and supporters? That would be a nice idea ;-) That will be the day ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, *JJ said: That will be the day ... I live in hope. Trouble is the next village is called despair.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 True. At least the Birmingham promotion are trying to do something, even if no-one else is! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, *JJ said: True. At least the Birmingham promotion are trying to do something, even if no-one else is! Credit to the oft and unfairly maligned Laurence for that. Just hope there are a few other non Premier Teams who will host a meaningful MSDL. IOW and Plymouth will hopefully continue in some form with MSDL but hard to see where other Teams may come from. It seems as if the Northern Clubs are unaffected and running their own version similar to last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, HGould said: It seems as if the Northern Clubs are unaffected and running their own version similar to last year. As they have done since 2010. Hopefully they will be left alone to continue for another ten years, too! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, crescent girl said: As they have done since 2010. Hopefully they will be left alone to continue for another ten years, too! Out of sight, out of mind..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 personally believe Northern junior league is the better format with 125s and 500s as it allows kids to be in the team format. done wonders for my lad who misses out this year due to being on a 250. shame the mdl sdl don't run a similar format as there is a huge number of the smaller capacity riders in the south that would of then alleviated some of the issues regarding riders having multipul teams and the reliance on older riders. ps I don't have any issues with the age thing but its all in the name junior league or development league it has to be about the future. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Out of sight, out of mind..... Meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: personally believe Northern junior league is the better format with 125s and 500s as it allows kids to be in the team format. done wonders for my lad who misses out this year due to being on a 250. shame the mdl sdl don't run a similar format as there is a huge number of the smaller capacity riders in the south that would of then alleviated some of the issues regarding riders having multipul teams and the reliance on older riders. ps I don't have any issues with the age thing but its all in the name junior league or development league it has to be about the future. It was proposed to switch to the boring NJL format (same 4 riders racing 3 times yawn) but there were too few takers for the smaller engine class. As for the future unless the standard is driven up, the support from the top increased and entertainment increased there wont be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, topsoil said: Meaning? Its usual meaning. It's too far away from many people in positions of authority to notice it. Having said that NJL was being staged at Scunthorpe. One benefit of being 'distant' is the ability just to get on with things without interference. Edited February 21, 2020 by RobMcCaffery 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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