cphx Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: I would think it`s normal scoring , so 3rd and 4ths in the semi`s don`t come into it. you will have to wait for the FIM offical result if you disagree. thats important for betting and I havent seen any official classification. and there's nothing on official u21 champs website (it wasnt updated for year, cause there's still another sponsor in rules) and cant find anything on fim.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, cphx said: thats important for betting and I havent seen any official classification. and there's nothing on official u21 champs website (it wasnt updated for year, cause there's still another sponsor in rules) and cant find anything on fim.. Have you seen my edit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphx Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, racers and royals said: Have you seen my edit perfect thank you Miskowiak abover Kvech is amazing luck then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 It is what it is but, poor Jan Kvech scorers 13pts and will go down in the record books as finishing 5th!! I hate the fact that a rider (Petr Chlupac) Can score 7pts and still have as much chance of winning the meeting as ( Jaimon Lidsey 14pts ) I know it's all about keeping in line with other sports, but personally I will never accept it as a fair system. Just like the senior GP's series. Bartosz Zmarzlik has been head and shoulders above the rest of the riders, yet one bad meeting tonight and it will mean nothing. If thats a fair system I'll eat my hat. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, tyler42 said: It is what it is but, poor Jan Kvech scorers 13pts and will go down in the record books as finishing 5th!! I hate the fact that a rider (Petr Chlupac) Can score 7pts and still have as much chance of winning the meeting as ( Jaimon Lidsey 14pts ) I know it's all about keeping in line with other sports, but personally I will never accept it as a fair system. Just like the senior GP's series. Bartosz Zmarzlik has been head and shoulders above the rest of the riders, yet one bad meeting tonight and it will mean nothing. If thats a fair system I'll eat my hat. Again, the old World Final system was just as flawed. You could go the whole Championship without dropping a point, and one ride in the final could cost you everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 6 hours ago, tyler42 said: It is what it is but, poor Jan Kvech scorers 13pts and will go down in the record books as finishing 5th!! I hate the fact that a rider (Petr Chlupac) Can score 7pts and still have as much chance of winning the meeting as ( Jaimon Lidsey 14pts ) I know it's all about keeping in line with other sports, but personally I will never accept it as a fair system. Just like the senior GP's series. Bartosz Zmarzlik has been head and shoulders above the rest of the riders, yet one bad meeting tonight and it will mean nothing. If thats a fair system I'll eat my hat. I’m all for a final at the end of an event. It’s no different than in football beating every team 8-0 in the FA Cup and then losing in the ‘showcase’ final and coming runner up. i think for a one off event like this though, 8 going through to the semi finals is way too much. I much prefer the system of rewarding the top 2 to be seeded straight to the final and then 3-6 in the last chance semi. I also like just having the top 4 go straight to the final. It just means there is interest right until the final heat which adds to the drama and overall entertainment of the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 hours ago, racers and royals said: I would think it`s normal scoring , so 3rd and 4ths in the semi`s don`t come into it. you will have to wait for the FIM offical result if you disagree. Edit I`m probably wrong as this is more like what you think it should be http://speedwayu21.com/en/results.html 15 hours ago, cphx said: thats classification by sportowe fakty. so Kvech is 5th? wasnt supposed to be like this years GP classification so excluded is worst than 0 and sf count for classification? Yes, Kvech with 13 points is officially placed 8th ! Hansen with 9 points is fifth, Chlupac with 8 points is 6th, and Miskowiak again with 9 points is seventh, ahead of Kvech with 13 points in 8th place! I am really getting fed up with the F.I.M. and their points system changes in this sport. This is a world of confusion! They can't even publish their own results correctly http://speedwayu21.com/en/results.html Fienhage has 5 points (not 6), Levyshyn has 5 points (not 4), since Levishyn finished third in Heat 18 ahead of Finhage How can Fienhage then officially be placed 9th, above Niklas Säyriö in 10th, when Fienhage only has five points, but Sayriö has six ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Bavarian said: How can Fienhage then officially be placed 9th, above Niklas Säyriö in 10th, when Fienhage only has five points, but Sayriö has six ! Because Pavel Ondrasik and Giuseppe Grandi say so. They are the ones that have signed the results after probably 30 minutes of going through them in The jury room... Writing results isnt always easy, but this one was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Because Pavel Ondrasik and Giuseppe Grandi say so. They are the ones that have signed the results after probably 30 minutes of going through them in The jury room... Writing results isnt always easy, but this one was. what a shame then, the wrong result gets officially approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) The Referee's Results show Fienhage and Sayrio both with 6 points. Fienhage is 3rd in Heat 18 Levishyn is shown as disqualified. Edited October 3, 2020 by Gambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Lidsey has had a great season,this is the icing on the cake for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Gambo said: The Referee's Results show Fienhage and Sayrio both with 6 points. Fienhage is 3rd in Heat 18 Levishyn is shown as disqualified. From what I’ve witnessed, the jury goes the results through from several papers heat by heat. How come was there a mistake? Not watching that crap meeting again, but easily checked anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 13 hours ago, chunky said: Again, the old World Final system was just as flawed. You could go the whole Championship without dropping a point, and one ride in the final could cost you everything... Again, as proved yesterday you can score seven points in a world final and still become world champion. Where under an old world final could one have scored even ten points and become world champion?? Your getting qualifying rounds confused with finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, tyler42 said: Again, as proved yesterday you can score seven points in a world final and still become world champion. Where under an old world final could one have scored even ten points and become world champion?? Your getting qualifying rounds confused with finals. I'm not getting confused. 1) Regardless of what you may think, the first 20 heats of a GP are now the equivalent of qualifying rounds. 2) in the World Final itself, it was possible to win a World Championship on 10 points. More than that, it was possible to become World Champion without winning a single race during the season 3) Just a reminder, using the GP system from last year, it was possible for a rider to win EVERY GP, yet not finish in the Top 8 standings at the end of the year. No system is perfect, and just because something CAN happen doesn't mean it will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 You're starting to confuse me now. In the history of the old one off world final not one meeting was won with a score of less than twelve points. So how you have come up with the idea that ten points would have been enough to win seems very confusing? Yesterdays Wu21 was a one off final and thank god the guy who scored 14 points won the meeting. Not someone scoring seven points and scraping into the semi and have a sniff of becoming champion. If you read again what I wrote. I said You could never score 7 points in and old world final and become world champion. You argument is you could score ten points and become champion, but it never happened! in the whole history of the old world finals!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, tyler42 said: You're starting to confuse me now. In the history of the old one off world final not one meeting was won with a score of less than twelve points. So how you have come up with the idea that ten points would have been enough to win seems very confusing? Yesterdays Wu21 was a one off final and thank god the guy who scored 14 points won the meeting. Not someone scoring seven points and scraping into the semi and have a sniff of becoming champion. If you read again what I wrote. I said You could never score 7 points in and old world final and become world champion. You argument is you could score ten points and become champion, but it never happened! in the whole history of the old world finals!! You are clearly confused. Just because it wasn't won with 10 points doesn't mean it wasn't possible. An individual GP is not a World Final. Scoring seven points in one GP won't make you World Champion; it is points accumulation over a whole season. Seven points will not even win you a GP; you need a minimum of five points on top of that seven to get you a win. A GP win requires SEVEN races, not just the first five. Edited October 3, 2020 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, chunky said: You are clearly confused. Just because it wasn't won with 10 points doesn't mean it wasn't possible. An individual GP is not a World Final. Scoring seven points in one GP won't make you World Champion; it is points accumulation over a whole season. Seven points will not even win you a GP; you need a minimum of five points on top of that seven to get you a win. A GP win requires SEVEN races, not just the first five. 1) It never happened. 2) We were talking about yesterdays Wu21 in czeco not a GP meeting. The clue might have been that I posted it on the wu21 thread and not the GP thread. 3) Read above, Seven points was scored by the young czech in the u21 meeting.which was not part of series of meetings, but a one off meeting. 4) You keep mentioning GP's why? We are not debating GP's? I commented in this thread (u21 thread) on how a guy in a one off world u21 final had a chance of winning having only scored 7 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, tyler42 said: 1) It never happened. 2) We were talking about yesterdays Wu21 in czeco not a GP meeting. The clue might have been that I posted it on the wu21 thread and not the GP thread. 3) Read above, Seven points was scored by the young czech in the u21 meeting.which was not part of series of meetings, but a one off meeting. 4) You keep mentioning GP's why? We are not debating GP's? I commented in this thread (u21 thread) on how a guy in a one off world u21 final had a chance of winning having only scored 7 points. Different systems are - different. They are the same for ALL riders competing. A system used as a "qualifier" means that at the next stage, everyone starts from scratch. Again, everyone knows it, and it's the same for everyone. No system is - or will be - perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, chunky said: Different systems are - different. They are the same for ALL riders competing. A system used as a "qualifier" means that at the next stage, everyone starts from scratch. Again, everyone knows it, and it's the same for everyone. No system is - or will be - perfect. I agree no system is perfect, but surely no one could doubt that last years systems was the fairest by miles! What you score is what you get. Anyway I'm far too old to understand these new rules they keep bringing in. I will just enjoy the racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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