Pinny Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 10:17 AM, The Doctor... said: Hold on a second. Don't go taking a swing at me now just because i said that it was unnecessary to take a pop at someone who by your own admittance you have on block - why cause an issue by saying what you did to him ? He wasn't taking a pop at you was he ? As for saying about my typical efforts to stir matters up - i've been vocal on here in support of this with no issues at all, but now because i'm saying that you're intentionally taking a pop at someone, I'm the one seen as stirring matters up ? Give over. If i wanted to stir matters up i would send people a few links about you and let them make their own mind up who the pillock is here. For some reason you seem to think your opinion is more valid than others and that's simply not the case. The sooner you get your head around that the better really as you're constantly gonna be butting heads with people all over this forum for years to come. I've noticed you picking arguments on several threads now with supporters far and wide even up to this evening - perhaps take a little closer look at yourself before you say about others stirring things up. Also, probably best to block me as if you carry on with this attitude i'll do something i perhaps won't be proud of. Tom Elwood, not hiding behind a false name. The guy is an absolute tool. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 1:25 PM, wealdstone said: I am hearing that interest in this matter is spreading wider and could result in even more negative publicity. Looks like management may not escape unscathed. Hope they have got a better explanation than they have come up with so far. Not holding your breath on either count are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, Crump99 said: Not holding your breath on either count are you? Not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, wealdstone said: Not really Good. You'll need to conserve your energy for planning and physical/mental effort if you choose to watch some speedway at the EoES in 2020, while it's still there beyond and under the current administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 The more I think of this the less I can understand how anybody could do something so totally rotten and show such a complete lack of understanding regarding the basic concept of Blue Badges. Once again regardless of the evidence or view of others management feel it it undermines their status as management to even consider they may have got it wrong 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 I wonder how many Blue Badge holders will stay away when push comes to shove. There's two here which would amount to a loss of £640 over the season, if we we able to be regulars. If only five cars with two people in stopped going, and were all Senior Citizens, that would equate to £6,400 and so it goes. It's a heck of a lot of money to be risking throwing away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, wealdstone said: The more I think of this the less I can understand how anybody could do something so totally rotten and show such a complete lack of understanding regarding the basic concept of Blue Badges. Once again regardless of the evidence or view of others management feel it it undermines their status as management to even consider they may have got it wrong As Bob Woodward said: If you're gonna hype it, hype it with the facts. I don't mind what you did (well of course we do). I mind the way you did it. When did the procedure change anyway? When was the website graphic uploaded? Were they going to put out a club statement before their hand was forced or were they just going to let disabled supporters turn up whenever and discover the new arrangement? If there was a good argument put up (ie the Showground did it) and some mitigation for the consequences of that action then there might have been more understanding but it hasn't been communicated in public as yet. It's easy just to focus on the BB element but what we're actually talking about here is paying customers, their friends and family. Edited February 28, 2020 by Crump99 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 15 hours ago, wealdstone said: management feel it it undermines their status as management to even consider they may have got it wrong They follow utterly and remorselessly the Chairman Mao style of management. Do as you are told. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, waytogo28 said: They follow utterly and remorselessly the Chairman Mao style of management. Do as you are told. That may or may not be true but poking them with a stick isn't a great negotiating tactic for change when we're told " I have been advised that there will be no change to the new arrangements outlined in the Club press release of 28th January " - better to come up with a way that they can have a rethink without losing face. It isn't that difficult tbh for them to do that, then they could get much credit and show they are not as you've labelled them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Crump99 said: That may or may not be true but poking them with a stick isn't a great negotiating tactic for change when we're told " I have been advised that there will be no change to the new arrangements outlined in the Club press release of 28th January " - better to come up with a way that they can have a rethink without losing face. It isn't that difficult tbh for them to do that, then they could get much credit and show they are not as you've labelled them. Giving in is a sign of weakness in management speak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, wealdstone said: Giving in is a sign of weakness in management speak Which management speak is this? I agree that generally that may be the case which is why management anywhere on anything is usually held in such low esteem. Surely righting a wrong (reminds me of the Khasi of Khalabar sending, in numerical order, each of his fifty-one wives to Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond, each one of them wishing to "right the wrong") is a sign of strength and good promotion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted February 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 This post is a response from Julie Reading (Sheffield Promoter) to concerns voiced on this forum about disabled viewing at Sheffield. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Could I just point out to a couple of people that have read these posts and sent me a message on Messenger, IT'S NOT A CASE OF THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO TO PETERBOROUGH, because I very much do, as I love the racing there, but it's because I PHYSICALLY CAN'T DUE TO MY WIFE'S LUNG CANCERS, she just can't walk that far. End of, any more PM's from you will be deleted without reading them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mimmo said: Could I just point out to a couple of people that have read these posts and sent me a message on Messenger, IT'S NOT A CASE OF THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO TO PETERBOROUGH, because I very much do, as I love the racing there, but it's because I PHYSICALLY CAN'T DUE TO MY WIFE'S LUNG CANCERS, she just can't walk that far. End of, any more PM's from you will be deleted without reading them. They can send them to me instead. I'll have a discussion with them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 From correspondence I have had with the club either unintentionally or deliberately they fail to understand the basic concept of Blue Badges IE holders are unable to walk very far. Typical of their attitude was when I was asked to explain why Blue Badge Holders going to Speedway should expect different treatment to those attending any other event at EOES. Whilst normal Blue Badge parking may be acceptable for events at Arena , which is a short distance from entrance they certainly are not for the Speedway, Of course, they will never give in and argue black is white till the cows come home even if they realise they have got it wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, wealdstone said: From correspondence I have had with the club either unintentionally or deliberately they fail to understand the basic concept of Blue Badges IE holders are unable to walk very far. Typical of their attitude was when I was asked to explain why Blue Badge Holders going to Speedway should expect different treatment to those attending any other event at EOES. Whilst normal Blue Badge parking may be acceptable for events at Arena , which is a short distance from entrance they certainly are not for the Speedway, Of course, they will never give in and argue black is white till the cows come home even if they realise they have got it wrong. I've never been to any other events in recent times that haven't been on at the same time as speedway so can't comment really on the parking offered apart from that events come in all different shapes and sizes which is probably why the EoES washed their hands of it saying that parking is the responsibility of the particuar event organisers. I didn't know that there was official BB parking at the EoES, but if things are happening just the other side of the fence in daylight or closeby then that's probably logical. What isn't logical is when the event is being held being several hundred metres away from this special parking area, generally when there is nothing else seemingly going on within the stadium, causing initial mobility problems and then also leaving an unpleasant return journey for affected customers in the dark when it's often also freezing cold, even in the summer months. If that was really a question though then it is very disappointing and lacking any disability awareness. You should have turned it around to ask why do they think successive promotions have provided the facility over many many seasons, kicked off when the EoES took the action that the club have now in 2020 and then restored the facility for their disabled customers, family and friends at the earliest opportunity? Edited March 2, 2020 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 hours ago, wealdstone said: From correspondence I have had with the club either unintentionally or deliberately they fail to understand the basic concept of Blue Badges IE holders are unable to walk very far. Typical of their attitude was when I was asked to explain why Blue Badge Holders going to Speedway should expect different treatment to those attending any other event at EOES. Whilst normal Blue Badge parking may be acceptable for events at Arena , which is a short distance from entrance they certainly are not for the Speedway, Of course, they will never give in and argue black is white till the cows come home even if they realise they have got it wrong. I would assume they are referring to all the events that use the showground in full, not just the arena. A number of the large shows that are there use the full area including the speedway track / grandstand. I have no idea what the BB arrangements are for those events but would assume the same as they are using for speedway this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sully said: I would assume they are referring to all the events that use the showground in full, not just the arena. A number of the large shows that are there use the full area including the speedway track / grandstand. I have no idea what the BB arrangements are for those events but would assume the same as they are using for speedway this year? Which is different from the speedway which is localised and doesn't have the movement and foot traffic of a general show. I've said that in the case of a general larger events then there could be some logic in the external site but generally it would appear that event organisers have flexibility for their own arrangements and we've gone broad-brush on our identified (in public at least) issues. Edited March 2, 2020 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Recall at Hull's Craven Park there were / are disabled parking bays literally behind the main stand and there was / is a lift inside the actual stand, just inside what was the turn 1 entrance, which took folk right up to the bar(s) then the seating area. It will be understood that I've had no reason to visit CP since 2005, though I've had the odd look-see since, not a trace of speedway left.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 I have spoken to Radio Cambridge today and have explained, how the original announcement was hidden within season ticket application info, how originally we were told it came from the showground, how this was denied by showground and Management now gone into siege mode. Radio have gone through this forum and are aware of the many sad cases. They are trying to contact Carl Johnson to get a satisfactory explanation as they have not provided one so far.. I have told them I do not mind being on Radio but will not do so alone as I am aware that many have declined.for their own reasons. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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