Peterborough Speedway Disabled Parking 2020

[wealdstone]

22 minutes ago, Star Lady said:

 

Me too!!   However the possibility of a buggy has not been mentioned anyway. Panthers have just  redefined  the criteria to be eligible to get a Blue Badge, to suit their own agenda.

[Crump99]

6 hours ago, Trees said:

Well IF a buggy is the only way back to the car for those disabled people then patience will be required, it is possible to be patient ......

I guess that if a new problem was identified and somebody was trying to help then it may be possible to be patient, but in this case they had a system for the disabled that worked fine for decades, those supporters haven't been given a good reason why they have been turfed out of the stadium, and through no fault of their own they lose their independence and have to queue in the cold and dark for a buggy ride - you're all heart!

Edited February 12, 2020 by Crump99

[BluPanther]

2 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

Me too!!   However the possibility of a buggy has not been mentioned anyway. Panthers have just  redefined  the criteria to be eligible to get a Blue Badge, to suit their own agenda.

Correct. My regular trips from Suffolk will be coming to an end for me and my two disabled passengers who have now come to terms with the fact that P'boro no longer value their support...

[Trees]

1 hour ago, Crump99 said:

I guess that if a new problem was identified and somebody was trying to help then it may be possible to be patient, but in this case they had a system for the disabled that worked fine for decades, those supporters haven't been given a good reason why they have been turfed out of the stadium, and through no fault of their own they lose their indepence and have to queue in the cold and dark for a buggy ride - you're all heart!

It doesn't have to be in the cold and dark, wait in the bar perhaps, there's ways and means, surely this change can be overcome if the will is there?  Someone said the showground/speedway had a buggy a few pages back hence my mention of it still ..... not a few pages back, it was bigcatdiary on the Peterborough 2020 thread who said "they have one" ....

Edited February 12, 2020 by Trees

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, Trees said:

It doesn't have to be in the cold and dark, wait in the bar perhaps, there's ways and means, surely this change can be overcome if the will is there?  Someone said the showground/speedway had a buggy a few pages back hence my mention of it still ..... not a few pages back, it was bigcatdiary on the Peterborough 2020 thread who said "they have one" ....

It's not some great adventure to overcome like climbing Everest. You're just looking for solutions to a club self imposed situation with as much empathy as whoever came up with the bright idea in the first place to exclude disabled fans from their long standing, helpful parking privileges which I'm sure that anyone affected greatly appreciated. Any regular will have seen the buggy or a buggy so it's no secret. They used it to pick up, amongst other things, the speakers that sat in front of the stand before we got a decent PA system. Other staff can be seen driving around in it, or one of them at times, as could Neil when inpost, hence why he suggested it I guess. Useful in those isolated situations but it's a crap idea here when the sensible solution is obvious to anyone.

[NeilWatson]

40 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

It's not some great adventure to overcome like climbing Everest. You're just looking for solutions to a club self imposed situation with as much empathy as whoever came up with the bright idea in the first place to exclude disabled fans from their long standing, helpful parking privileges which I'm sure that anyone affected greatly appreciated. Any regular will have seen the buggy or a buggy so it's no secret. They used it to pick up, amongst other things, the speakers that sat in front of the stand before we got a decent PA system. Other staff can be seen driving around in it, or one of them at times, as could Neil when inpost, hence why he suggested it I guess. Useful in those isolated situations but it's a crap idea here when the sensible solution is obvious to anyone.

For the record I wasn’t suggesting using ‘my’ buggy or similar - which only carry one plus the driver - but a ‘buggy service’ using a larger vehicle (see my earlier post) or something like the Dial-a-Ride bus. Transporting one person at a time wouldn’t be practical.

[Crump99]

5 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

For the record I wasn’t suggesting using ‘my’ buggy or similar - which only carry one plus the driver - but a ‘buggy service’ using a larger vehicle (see my earlier post) or something like the Dial-a-Ride bus. Transporting one person at a time wouldn’t be practical.

And we haven't either have we? So that'd be added expense, organisation and staff time?

[NeilWatson]

5 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

And we haven't either have we? So that'd be added expense, organisation and staff time?

Quite so, which should make the status quo attractive. However, hiring in a service would, in my opinion, cost less than the lost income from not doing so.

[PE7Panther]

Despite being in the 'old fart' age group I'm blessed with fairly good health, and although l'm starting to dislike stairs I don't have any mobility problems.  So this Blue Badge issue doesn't affect me personally, but I've been following it with increasing dismay. And the whole thing stinks!  The same as everything does with Panthers - and, come to that, with speedway in general. 

For what it's worth, here's my two penn'orth: 

It seems to me that there's been more and more cars parking in the inner stadium areas, and they can't all be blue-badge (BB) people.  The club seems to be saying that some BB fans have somehow been abusing the parking privilege; maybe by parking in the "wrong" places?   I tend to rock up a few minutes before the first heat, and by then 99.9% of cars are already there and parked up.  But I hadn't noticed any particular orderliness as I walk briskly from the Arena doors to the stand.  Cars seem to park willy-nilly, and it's a different configuration each home meeting.  So I can't help wondering if it might not be BB holders alone who are causing whatever the problem is. 

Or maybe it's a money issue?  Are some BB holders somehow sneaking other occupants of their car into the meetings for free, when they should be paying full whack?  Have there been problems at the gate along those lines, and staff feeling miffed at having to deal with unpleasant situations?  I'm not pointing any fingers; just wondering if that's what lies being Bluster's decision. 

One things for sure, we don't have the full story :-/  Whatever, it's f*****g disgraceful that a blanket ban has been imposed on all disabled people. You'd have to be a complete **** to think otherwise.  The main car park is way too far to walk if you have reduced mobility.   

If there has been a problem - whatever it is - surely the best way to resolve it is to organise the entrances and inner parking areas better.  All it needs is a few well-placed signs for BB cars to follow, and a clearly marked/fenced off parking area for BB holders, preferably quite close to the rear of the stand.  There's plenty of space there ffs!  

Would it be too difficult to issue special EoES/Panthers disabled permits rather than just go by the standard blue badge permits.  If anybody flouts the new system, and provided it's been made clear from the outset, there can be no complaints if that individual gets his/her parking privilege withdrawn.     

How many BB cars are we talking about anyway?  It can only be in the dozens surely, and not in the hundreds.  How about BB cars keep to the left at that first entrance, and signposted accordingly with a couple of staff to supervise it.  And all the other vehicles - vans, sponsors, chums of Bluster, et al - keep to the right. 

It’s not rocket science – but I suspect that the Club Bluster simply lacks the will to resolve it in a decent and compassionate way.

 

 

               

Edited February 13, 2020 by PE7Panther

[Crabba59]

8 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

Quite so, which should make the status quo attractive. However, hiring in a service would, in my opinion, cost less than the lost income from not doing so.

Neil you will not be aload in to Peterborough because you are not agreeing with the management,  and for coming up with common sense ideas 

[wealdstone]

Seems like uncaring management stance over BB parking has been virtually universally condemned   but still they show little sign of listening 

[waytogo28]

Buster has listened to no-one since the Stars came up to the Premier. And before that he rarely listened either and when he did listen it just bounced off. It has cost the promotion some good people, both within the promotion and from the terraces. Very sad glimpse into the future for all his clubs.

[Crump99]

9 hours ago, PE7Panther said:

Despite being in the 'old fart' age group I'm blessed with fairly good health, and although l'm starting to dislike stairs I don't have any mobility problems.  So this Blue Badge issue doesn't affect me personally, but I've been following it with increasing dismay. And the whole thing stinks!  The same as everything does with Panthers - and, come to that, with speedway in general. 

For what it's worth, here's my two penn'orth: 

It seems to me that there's been more and more cars parking in the inner stadium areas, and they can't all be blue-badge (BB) people.  The club seems to be saying that some BB fans have somehow been abusing the parking privilege; maybe by parking in the "wrong" places?   I tend to rock up a few minutes before the first heat, and by then 99.9% of cars are already there and parked up.  But I hadn't noticed any particular orderliness as I walk briskly from the Arena doors to the stand.  Cars seem to park willy-nilly, and it's a different configuration each home meeting.  So I can't help wondering if it might not be BB holders alone who are causing whatever the problem is. 

Or maybe it's a money issue?  Are some BB holders somehow sneaking other occupants of their car into the meetings for free, when they should be paying full whack?  Have there been problems at the gate along those lines, and staff feeling miffed at having to deal with unpleasant situations?  I'm not pointing any fingers; just wondering if that's what lies being Bluster's decision. 

One things for sure, we don't have the full story :-/  Whatever, it's f*****g disgraceful that a blanket ban has been imposed on all disabled people. You'd have to be a complete **** to think otherwise.  The main car park is way too far to walk if you have reduced mobility.   

If there has been a problem - whatever it is - surely the best way to resolve it is to organise the entrances and inner parking areas better.  All it needs is a few well-placed signs for BB cars to follow, and a clearly marked/fenced off parking area for BB holders, preferably quite close to the rear of the stand.  There's plenty of space there ffs!  

Would it be too difficult to issue special EoES/Panthers disabled permits rather than just go by the standard blue badge permits.  If anybody flouts the new system, and provided it's been made clear from the outset, there can be no complaints if that individual gets his/her parking privilege withdrawn.     

How many BB cars are we talking about anyway?  It can only be in the dozens surely, and not in the hundreds.  How about BB cars keep to the left at that first entrance, and signposted accordingly with a couple of staff to supervise it.  And all the other vehicles - vans, sponsors, chums of Bluster, et al - keep to the right. 

It’s not rocket science – but I suspect that the Club Bluster simply lacks the will to resolve it in a decent and compassionate way.

 

 

               

I rock up early and leave late so don't see much of their alleged justification issues apart from being confused as to why cars are allowed to go left on entry and park near or on the roads at the back of the stand as that's not the arrangement. They were never asked to move that I'm aware of and no instruction was given that it shouldn't be done. It's good to get the bigger picture from someone who arrives as late as possible.

IMO nobody sneaks in with freeloaders. It's clear who's in a vehicle. They are asked to pay as such and if they play up then the security bloke should show them round the hut and out into the public car park when they can either sort themselves out or go home.

Probably the main problem for parking near the stand is lack of hard standing, and unless the EoES are more flexible now that they are moving (which seems unlikely) then regularly parking on and messing up the grass is, as it's always been, a red line for them. I suspect that's why the Arena car park was used whenever possible.

As you say though, for the amount of vehicles that we should be talking about then there is plenty of on road parking leading up to the stand (directly behind the stand is a no no) and that's what always happened in years gone by before the Arena was suggested. Surely that's easy to manage with those not playing ball warned of future conduct or asked to move on the night. That's all parking away from access routes and virtually all pedestrian movement so that solves that problem. On the way out pedestrians and cars could meet currently but leave both the pedestrian and vehice gates open at the end of the meeting, problem solved!

That's not a go at your post, I'm just putting my opinion on the useful points that you raise.

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by Crump99

[Crump99]

3 hours ago, wealdstone said:

Seems like uncaring management stance over BB parking has been virtually universally condemned   but still they show little sign of listening 

Hopefully they see sense and somehow skilfully extract themselves from this mess but if not then you can make a note of all excessive vehicle incursions, potential H&S infractions that you see during 2020 and report any near misses to the club for investigation and action, assuming that you still attend of course, and keep this thread updated.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Crump99

[scoobydoo]

Now Peterborough have a Tungate isnt it time they announced a Blue Badge Gate as well.

[Crump99]

2 hours ago, scoobydoo said:

Now Peterborough have a Tungate isnt it time they announced a Blue Badge Gate as well.

Is that like Holdergate but with a more popular outcome.

[wealdstone]

3 hours ago, scoobydoo said:

Now Peterborough have a Tungate isnt it time they announced a Blue Badge Gate as well.

They had one but compassionate   management have decreed it can no longer be used.

[Crump99]

6 hours ago, wealdstone said:

Seems like uncaring management stance over BB parking has been virtually universally condemned   but still they show little sign of listening 

Have faith. I just read this. Different topic but live in hope:

"Chapman fully understands the frustration expressed by some Crendon Panthers fans on social media."

[scoobydoo]

1 hour ago, Crump99 said:

Is that like Holdergate but with a more popular outcome.

Holdergate made the club money,  no reinstatement of the BB gate will cost the club money. 

[Crump99]

19 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

Holdergate made the club money,  no reinstatement of the BB gate will cost the club money. 

Made money but broke the club and led us to where we are now. Whereas we'd have survived if we'd told Holder to sling his hook and this thread wouldn't exist. Money is overrated!