GiveusaB Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Probably not the right section for this topic, but as it's so popular/current and as not to dominate Poole's thread ? : ) Should we be listing riders that 'we' as fans feel deserve a Championship Team Place and the BSPA should be supporting ? There are a few obvious choices and I'll start it off with Alfie Bowtell ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Nathan Greaves 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Danyon Hume and Ryan Kinsley. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 It just seems as if we're existing to serve Poland and Sweden, there are very few Southern Hemisphere riders going straight into their leagues without first using this place as a stepping stone. Who pays their air fares if they come here and later in the season join a continental club? Obviously a club shouldn't have to guarantee places to riders who it doesn't think are worthy of them but at the same time it's madness to deny British riders racing at some level, do the Poles do that with their lower order riders? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) The four named riders are 23, 22, 21 and 21. None should be without a team place. Keleher, Ben Cook and Kye Thomson have done nothing to give them a prior claim. Edited January 30, 2020 by DC2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 There will probably be fewer Danes, Swedes etc in the British leagues from 2021 due to Brexit, thereby giving more opportunities to British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Only way British riders will get more opportunities is if they get average reductions compared to their foreign counterparts as the current trend is to gamble on the unknown rather than help develop our own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, DC2 said: The four named riders are 23, 22, 21 and 21. None should be without a team place. Keleher, Ben Cook and Kye Thomson have done nothing to give them a prior claim. Not yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Depending on the Government's immigration policy following Brexit, EU riders may not be able to come into the Country to work, so promoters may have no choice but to look to British riders to fill their teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 There appears to be a great number of people who do not like the fact Poole have signed two Aussies. Lets just look at the other teams in this league. Berwick 2 from UK, 2 Aussies,1 Fin,1Dane, 1 Finland Birmingham 5 from UK, 1 Sweden, 1Italy Eastborne 7 from UK Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Glasgow 1 from UK, 2from USA, 2 Danes, 2 Aussies Kent 5 from UK, 1 Aussie, 1 Italy Leicester 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Newcastle 3 from UK, 1 Dane, 1 Aussie, 1 Slov, 1 CZ Poole 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Redcar 3 from UK, 1 Germany, 2 Danes, 1 Aussie Scunthorpe 4 from UK, 1 Fin,1 Dane, 1 Aussie Somerset 4 from UK, 1 NZ, 2 Aussies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Sherborne Green said: There appears to be a great number of people who do not like the fact Poole have signed two Aussies. Lets just look at the other teams in this league. Berwick 2 from UK, 2 Aussies,1 Fin,1Dane, 1 Finland Birmingham 5 from UK, 1 Sweden, 1Italy Eastborne 7 from UK Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Glasgow 1 from UK, 2from USA, 2 Danes, 2 Aussies Kent 5 from UK, 1 Aussie, 1 Italy Leicester 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Newcastle 3 from UK, 1 Dane, 1 Aussie, 1 Slov, 1 CZ Poole 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Redcar 3 from UK, 1 Germany, 2 Danes, 1 Aussie Scunthorpe 4 from UK, 1 Fin,1 Dane, 1 Aussie Somerset 4 from UK, 1 NZ, 2 Aussies Glasgow have 2 riding under UK passport, Craig Cook and Connor Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Surprisingly Jack Smith has no place . Very disappointing for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Not bothered about who clubs sign, but surely it makes more sense to give British youngsters a fair chance rather than bringing over foreign riders who have shown no particular potential? I’m not singling out Poole at all, although I wonder if Poole’s four Brits spoke up for the likes of Greaves and Hume? Nathan Greaves had a questionable attitude at Swindon but he seemed to do well for Wolves and has improved at Redcar, so surely he deserves a chance? He certainly did better than Josh MacDonald last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, DC2 said: Not bothered about who clubs sign, but surely it makes more sense to give British youngsters a fair chance rather than bringing over foreign riders who have shown no particular potential? I’m not singling out Poole at all, although I wonder if Poole’s four Brits spoke up for the likes of Greaves and Hume? Nathan Greaves had a questionable attitude at Swindon but he seemed to do well for Wolves and has improved at Redcar, so surely he deserves a chance? He certainly did better than Josh MacDonald last year. One argument which is certainly valid is that Aussie riders have been better in British speedway especially in the Prem/Elite league that Aussies have simply been better. Lambert and Cook were 7.81 and 7.78 respectively With king in 3rd on 6.83 Doyle, batch and Fricke all higher than those 3. With Brady, Holder, Josh and masters all higher than King. Also NKI, Bjeere, Jensen, Klindt and Thorsell being higher than King. So of the top 15 riders in the prem 3 were brits. (thats where the issues lie). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 If you’re good enough, you’re good enough. Prove it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, foamfence said: It just seems as if we're existing to serve Poland and Sweden, there are very few Southern Hemisphere riders going straight into their leagues without first using this place as a stepping stone. Who pays their air fares if they come here and later in the season join a continental club? Obviously a club shouldn't have to guarantee places to riders who it doesn't think are worthy of them but at the same time it's madness to deny British riders racing at some level, do the Poles do that with their lower order riders? Have often thought who pays out more on vans etc to riders alot seem to sign to championship clubs then double up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sherborne Green said: There appears to be a great number of people who do not like the fact Poole have signed two Aussies. Lets just look at the other teams in this league. Berwick 2 from UK, 2 Aussies,1 Fin,1Dane, 1 Finland Birmingham 5 from UK, 1 Sweden, 1Italy Eastborne 7 from UK Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Glasgow 1 from UK, 2from USA, 2 Danes, 2 Aussies Kent 5 from UK, 1 Aussie, 1 Italy Leicester 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Newcastle 3 from UK, 1 Dane, 1 Aussie, 1 Slov, 1 CZ Poole 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Redcar 3 from UK, 1 Germany, 2 Danes, 1 Aussie Scunthorpe 4 from UK, 1 Fin,1 Dane, 1 Aussie Somerset 4 from UK, 1 NZ, 2 Aussies I don’t think people are unhappy with Poole necessarily, more the system which allows them to have two Aussie reserves while there are equivalent Brits unemployed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, Hodgy said: If you’re good enough, you’re good enough. Prove it. Greaves started 2019 on 3.99 and finished on 4.61. MacDonald started on 4 and finished under 4. Which is more deserving of a CL place? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, DC2 said: Greaves started 2019 on 3.99 and finished on 4.61. MacDonald started on 4 and finished under 4. Which is more deserving of a CL place? he was quite along way above 4 then went to the 2 spot and dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, poolebolton said: he was quite along way above 4 then went to the 2 spot and dropped. Was he? I’ve just flicked through the Sheffield green sheets on the BSPA site and it looks like MacDonald stayed at reserve on his 4 point assessed average all season. Hang on, he did get up to 4.36 in GSA issue 31 at the end of August, then fell back below 4 by the end of September. Edited January 30, 2020 by DC2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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