IronScorpion Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, A ORLOV said: It is a good job Poole moved to the lower league as they would be in trouble with all the changes they make. file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/Temporary Internet Files/Content.IE5/EC8OCMYB/p19_issue_26.pdf It is there in black & white who made the most & least changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/Temporary Internet Files/Content.IE5/EC8OCMYB/p19_issue_26.pdf It is there in black & white who made the most & least changes. That is only one year, look at the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Maybe they have only ran with the Premiership because you could end up with several riders riding for four different teams if they get dropped by their two current teams in both leagues.. ?.. Might look a bit daft given so few teams overall..? Edited January 15, 2020 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Wee Eck said: Maybe because the Chairman didn’t want his team to be restricted? And so it starts....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 18 hours ago, frigbo said: Another clear and concise BSPA press release! I agree, it's crap isn't it. Let's look at it : "Signings can now only be made, apart from proven injury, after 25 per cent of Premiership fixtures and before 75 per cent are complete.In addition, only two team changes are permitted during this time." As already pointed out, does the first bit mean after a team has completed 6 fixtures and before 18, or does it mean 25% of all Premiership fixtures, which i think would be 42 ? (24 * 7 / 4). Then, there are the words "In addition..." why are they there? If only 2 team changes can be made in this period why have the words "in addition" ? Read it without "In addition" does it make any difference ? Define "team changes". Wouldn't it be simpler to say "only two riders may be changed" if that is the intent, otherwise teams could be open to change, for example, 2 riders in May and 3 in June, that's 2 "team changes". It beggars belief that something like this can be issued when surely most in the management structure must be aware that the rule book is both complex and ambiguous and in dire need of being rewritten in plain English. It wouldn't have been difficult to run this past someone with a grasp of good English would it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Is this what they meant: Signings can only be made after a team has completed 6 league matches. No signings will be allowed after a team has completed 18 league matches. During the period between 6 and 18 league matches being completed, only 2 riders may be signed. These restrictions do not apply to the replacement of an injured rider unable to compete in any remaining league fixtures. (If I can come up with that in 20 minutes....) Edited January 15, 2020 by woofers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, woofers said: Is this what they meant: Signings can only be made after a team has completed 6 league matches. No signings will be allowed after a team has completed 18 league matches. During the period between 6 and 18 league matches being completed, only 2 riders may be signed. These restrictions do not apply to the replacement of an injured rider unable to compete in any remaining league fixtures. (If I can come up with that in 20 minutes....) That is clearer than the BSPA post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Who will be the first to find a way to fiddle this ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 So Pawel Polski gets injured, and is replaced under the long term injury rule. His team then make their two permitted changes. And then Pawel Polski reappears for his Polish team. Bet that will cause a few raised eyebrows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Icicle said: Who will be the first to find a way to fiddle this ?? The only ones likely to exploit any loopholes have dropped a league. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 14 hours ago, arnieg said: So Pawel Polski gets injured, and is replaced under the long term injury rule. His team then make their two permitted changes. And then Pawel Polski reappears for his Polish team. Bet that will cause a few raised eyebrows. Well, there's always going to be a some bad eggs, and it seems there is cheating of one form or another in every sport. Possible sanctions: Pawel Polski is seen to be a proven liar and has his licence to ride in British speedway revoked (or something like that) His replacement signing no longer has a team place and the club have to run r/r for the remainder of the season. Very tough on the replacement but would make clubs and riders think twice before signing and/or pulling these stunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 12:18 PM, Najjer said: I wonder why this has only been brought in for the Premiership and not the Championship? Poole 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 hours ago, woofers said: Well, there's always going to be a some bad eggs, and it seems there is cheating of one form or another in every sport. Possible sanctions: Pawel Polski is seen to be a proven liar and has his licence to ride in British speedway revoked (or something like that) His replacement signing no longer has a team place and the club have to run r/r for the remainder of the season. Very tough on the replacement but would make clubs and riders think twice before signing and/or pulling these stunts. Looking at Swindon last year, Lampart got banned by polish team, Wajknecht retired, Musielak was (temporarily) injured, Nielsen was (temporarily) injured! Since they brought Musielak back when he was fit but didn't bring Nielsen back - should that count as a transfer? Otherwise what's to stop a team using a free "injury transfer" for someone who may only be out for two weeks? Also have they decided how "retired / banned / withholding services" affects these transfer options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 2:55 PM, woofers said: Well, there's always going to be a some bad eggs, and it seems there is cheating of one form or another in every sport. Possible sanctions: Pawel Polski is seen to be a proven liar and has his licence to ride in British speedway revoked (or something like that) His replacement signing no longer has a team place and the club have to run r/r for the remainder of the season. Very tough on the replacement but would make clubs and riders think twice before signing and/or pulling these stunts. Not RR An NL guest who only rode NL at start of the season and on the same Start Points Travel money As the rider they're replacing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 How long before some team finds a way around it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Any ideas how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 8 hours ago, magnificentseven said: How long before some team finds a way around it A rider "retires"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 So how long should a rider be out before an injury replacement is allowed? Must it be an injury sustained on track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 1:44 PM, IronScorpion said: Any ideas how Providing the window closes before X percent of that teams matches remain to be completed would it not be best to be the team having the most matches to complete and therefore having the pick of the available riders who have been on the merry go round prior to the window closing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Providing the window closes before X percent of that teams matches remain to be completed would it not be best to be the team having the most matches to complete and therefore having the pick of the available riders who have been on the merry go round prior to the window closing? Good point and one possibly not thought through when the window idea was muted The window needs to be open/closed at the same time for ALL teams and not flexible to individual circumstances for the very reason you state 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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