Pinny Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, acef said: Because you are not looking at the context of the situation. You are looking at averages. I agree, on paper, there is a clear and present gap but numbers alone don’t tell us the whole story. If we are using the form of Kildemand on the continent, which we shouldn’t be, then we could introduce another angle altogether on this. Killer has been a better rider abroad than Batchelor over the last 5 years. Very difficult to pass judgment on a rider who hasn’t ridden here for a long time. Its purely speculative and as it stands I have no way of measuring Killer against Batchelor, I can only say that in my opinion, if he gets to the level he has been previous, that he will be in and around the figure of Troy at the season end. What is the highest figure Kildemand has been at in the UK? Batchelor, as a second heatleader, is superb and even a prime Kildemand would struggle to match that figure. Let alone a rider who has completely lost his way, he hardly pulled any trees up for Poole in 2018 either did he? His form abroad has been awful for a couple of seasons now. He may go on to be a hit this season but it is extremely likely he will get absolutely nowhere near Batchelor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, acef said: Correct. Doyle v Kurtz won’t be a comparison again this season because Jason is just so much better, but killer vs batch most certainly will be as the season goes on. Jensen v Wright. Absolutely nothing in it when you look at the context. Swindon have a much better number one, but 2nd and 3rd heat leader there is nothing between them in my opinion. I think PK and Wright will be as strong as TB and RJ. I am sorry, but that is complete and utter bias and theres no other phrase for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: What is the highest figure Kildemand has been at in the UK? Batchelor, as a second heatleader, is superb and even a prime Kildemand would struggle to match that figure. Let alone a rider who has completely lost his way, he hardly pulled any trees up for Poole in 2018 either did he? His form abroad has been awful for a couple of seasons now. He may go on to be a hit this season but it is extremely likely he will get absolutely nowhere near Batchelor . I’d have to check the numbers. A prime Killer vs a prime Batchelor, think there would be little in it personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: I am sorry, but that is complete and utter bias and theres no other phrase for it. Not bias, just an opinion. It’s how I see it. Like I said to Steve, let’s revisit this in 10 months time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Pinny said: What is the highest figure Kildemand has been at in the UK? 8.25 It put him 9th in the country behind Woffinden, NKI, Ward, Hancock, Lindgren, Zagar, Bjerre and Andersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weasel Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: 8.25 It put him 9th in the country behind Woffinden, NKI, Ward, Hancock, Lindgren, Zagar, Bjerre and Andersen. Ahhhhhhh, those were the days. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 The only like for like comparison you can make between Kildemand and Batchelor is .... Elitserien 2019 Peter Kildemand 1,368 Troy Batchelor 1,063 Batchelor rode Nice League 1 rather than Ekstraliga in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) A bit of a guess till teams are completed, but here goes: 1st Swindon 2nd Belle Vue 3rd Peterborough 4th Wolverhampton 5th Ipswich 6th King's Lynn 7th Sheffield Edited January 15, 2020 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On the Belle Vue vs Swindon comments, I'd expect Bachelor (9.4) to outscore Kildemand (7.5) and Etheridge (4.1) to outscore Rowe (2.9) Swindon clearly have a stronger top 4, whereas Belle Vue clearly have a stronger bottom 3! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) My prediction till I change my mind again! 1st Swindon (best top 3) 2nd Belle Vue 3rd Wolves (solid look, even if under limit) 4th Peterborough 5th Ipswich 6th King's Lynn 7th Sheffield (weakest reserves) Edited January 22, 2020 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 hours ago, szkocjasid said: My prediction till I change my mind again! 1st Swindon (best top 3) 2nd Belle Vue 3rd Wolves (solid look, even if under limit) 4th Peterborough 5th Ipswich 6th King's Lynn 7th Sheffield (weakest reserves) I hope Sheffield do well, so if that’s the table let’s hope there’s only 10 points between first and last! That would be a great season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Kildemand was very disappointing when he came into the Swindon side to replace Darcy Ward. His 7.5 average is from before that. He averaged around 6 but never rode enough matches for his average to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 21 hours ago, szkocjasid said: 7th Sheffield (weakest reserves) So, strongest top 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Grachan said: Kildemand was very disappointing when he came into the Swindon side to replace Darcy Ward. His 7.5 average is from before that. He averaged around 6 but never rode enough matches for his average to change. PK is just filling in till KB comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 11 hours ago, DC2 said: I hope Sheffield do well, so if that’s the table let’s hope there’s only 10 points between first and last! That would be a great season. I don't think any team will be very far adrift! Don't think Sheffield look bad, but someone has to finish bottom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, squall said: So, strongest top 5? Of the completed teams I'll say second strongest (after Swindon)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 23 hours ago, szkocjasid said: My prediction till I change my mind again! 1st Swindon (best top 3) 2nd Belle Vue 3rd Wolves (solid look, even if under limit) 4th Peterborough 5th Ipswich 6th King's Lynn 7th Sheffield (weakest reserves) How do you get Peterborough 4th, they only have 4 riders signed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 hours ago, spin king said: How do you get Peterborough 4th, they only have 4 riders signed. Based on who they are rumoured to sign! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, hyderd said: PK is just filling in till KB comes back. Only if the averages allow at the time of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 hours ago, tellboy said: Only if the averages allow at the time of course. And the MC allowing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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