ruffdiamond Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Maybe Palavaaro was being treated like a slave and, only being available to work for the highest bidder? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Big Al said: So what do you think of the Victor Palovaara case last season? Glasgow chose not to employ him, yet they were able to prevent him taking up an offer of work from Leicester. i think it was a restraint of trade in a supposedly free labour market but i really don't want to argue because others think differently and thats fine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRacer Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 11:31 AM, Gordon Pairman said: As I said, a very fine line. The BSPA managed to find a loophole that all of the premier league's lawyers couldn't? Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Pairman Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 hours ago, OldRacer said: The BSPA managed to find a loophole that all of the premier league's lawyers couldn't? Okay. I don’t know what that means. What Premier League lawyers? What loophole? In all the cases mentioned - Summers to Glasgow, Kus to Newcastle, Palovaara to Leicester, Miedzinski to Poole - the rider wasn’t blocked. Glasgow and Newcastle agreed to the purchase, Poole went to SCB arbitration and Leicester declined to pursue their interest. I’ll give you a fifth if you like - when Chris Morton, David Gordon and I bought Belle Vue at the end of 2006, we were desperate to keep Kenneth Bjerre. Further, BSPA had issued a “hands off” warning to all the other teams. Despite this, Kenneth chose to ride for Peterborough in 2007 and neither Belle Vue nor BSPA could stop him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 is there a rule now that stops a rider owning his own registration and in effect loaning himself out? i think this is something Richard Green did, bought his own contract so got loan fees as well as points money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, stevehone said: is there a rule now that stops a rider owning his own registration and in effect loaning himself out? i think this is something Richard Green did, bought his own contract so got loan fees as well as points money Last one I knew of was Neil Evvits. All riders have to be controlled by someone, be it the asset owner, or the BSPA who have main control of all foreign registered riders or riders owned by an owner or club that is not running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 hours ago, Tsunami said: Last one I knew of was Neil Evvits. All riders have to be controlled by someone, be it the asset owner, or the BSPA who have main control of all foreign registered riders or riders owned by an owner or club that is not running. No sure your right Dave. There's nothing in the rule book to say a rider has to be ' controlled ' by any club. Jason Bunyan bought his own contract and then rode for Mildenhall. The last club asset list that was published included riders who hadn't ridden for over 10 years and even two that are no longer with us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: No sure your right Dave. There's nothing in the rule book to say a rider has to be ' controlled ' by any club. Jason Bunyan bought his own contract and then rode for Mildenhall. The last club asset list that was published included riders who hadn't ridden for over 10 years and even two that are no longer with us! "Controlled" may not be the correct word, but the rider has to have an 'owner'. In the case of Bunyan, did he need to be someones's asset whilst riding in the NL. Plenty of kids riding in the NL are not on anyones asset list. The later point is just sloppy clerical, but riders retired do come back, who would have thought James Wright might come back. How long was Ledworth out? In the case of the deceased two riders, I'm not sure there is a procedure to check such things. Perhaps his 'owner' should ask for the name to be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Tsunami said: "Controlled" may not be the correct word, but the rider has to have an 'owner'. In the case of Bunyan, did he need to be someones's asset whilst riding in the NL. Plenty of kids riding in the NL are not on anyones asset list. The later point is just sloppy clerical, but riders retired do come back, who would have thought James Wright might come back. How long was Ledworth out? In the case of the deceased two riders, I'm not sure there is a procedure to check such things. Perhaps his 'owner' should ask for the name to be removed. Bunyan bought his own contract therefore was not an ' asset ' of any club, there's nothing in the book to say a rider must be someone's property because he doesn't. The asset system is only there to benefit the club's financial liability to the BSPA so that if a club folds they can claim the club's assets and then benefit from loaning them out themselves, like they did with Coventry. New riders become assets by default once they have ridden so many matches for what ever club they start their career with in the U.K. Some riders are ' owned' by clubs that they have never ever ridden for, the British Champion being one such rider. There has been no new asset list since 2017 as it was so out of date then it was embarrassing .If it was ever challenged it would have no legal basis whatsoever which is probably why there's been no attempt at renewing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Bunyan bought his own contract therefore was not an ' asset ' of any club, there's nothing in the book to say a rider must be someone's property because he doesn't. The asset system is only there to benefit the club's financial liability to the BSPA so that if a club folds they can claim the club's assets and then benefit from loaning them out themselves, like they did with Coventry. New riders become assets by default once they have ridden so many matches for what ever club they start their career with in the U.K. Some riders are ' owned' by clubs that they have never ever ridden for, the British Champion being one such rider. There has been no new asset list since 2017 as it was so out of date then it was embarrassing .If it was ever challenged it would have no legal basis whatsoever which is probably why there's been no attempt at renewing it. There's a bit of a contradiction there I think with these two statements. Are you now saying there is no such thing as an Asset status ? In the case of a club folding, the asset riders are then controlled by the BSPA, and the assets can be sold but the monies can be held to cover any clubs debts or the usually reduced amount goes to the owner. I bought Jesper Olsen that way though the BSPA in 1997. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Where's the contradiction? I never said there wasn't an asset base just that certain riders have ridden without being an asset of any club and there is nothing to stop them doing so. Each club and no doubt the BSPA will have a list of their alleged assets, wether they have ridden in the last 10 years or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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