BOBBATH Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 Both Valeri and Vladimir made World Final appearances- I've got Vladimir appearing in 1970-71-74-75( 0 pts. from reserve)--76.. Highest score was 11 in 1971, but not sure if he got excluded later.. For Valeri I've got 1972-73-75-76. Can anyone confirm that my records are accurate-reason I am asking is that in the Maurice Jones History of World Finals book-there might be a misprint (can't find the book right now) and he might have got the two mixed up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Not a completely reliable source but Wikipedia confirms your stats. And I remember Vladimir being disqualified in 1971. Fuel additives, particularly nitro methane, were banned and his fuel was analysed after the meeting and found to be illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Gordeevhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valery_Gordeev Edited December 30, 2019 by False dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BOBBATH said: Both Valeri and Vladimir made World Final appearances- I've got Vladimir appearing in 1970-71-74-75( 0 pts. from reserve)--76.. Highest score was 11 in 1971, but not sure if he got excluded later.. For Valeri I've got 1972-73-75-76. Can anyone confirm that my records are accurate-reason I am asking is that in the Maurice Jones History of World Finals book-there might be a misprint (can't find the book right now) and he might have got the two mixed up . There was a conspiracy doing the rounds I recall that they were one in the same after Vladimir was disqualified and Valeri suddenly appeared on the scene...nonsense, of course, but it did raise a few eyebrows at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Speedway Researcher also shows those years for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 I knew I had something that proved there were two of them...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, False dawn said: I knew I had something that proved there were two of them...... They first appeared together in Britain in 1974 I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, steve roberts said: They first appeared together in Britain in 1974 I believe. Just long enough for the cloning process to come to fruition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, False dawn said: Just long enough for the cloning process to come to fruition. Unfortunately the England vs. Russia match due to take place at Cowley in 1974 was cancelled because of rain but I eventuallly caught up with them when they both rode in an international challenge against Swindon in 1976. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 9:56 PM, steve roberts said: Unfortunately the England vs. Russia match due to take place at Cowley in 1974 was cancelled because of rain but I eventuallly caught up with them when they both rode in an international challenge against Swindon in 1976. I went to the test between England and USSR on the 27/07/ 74 at Swindon Steve .Vladimir scoring 13pts spoiling Ashby's 18 pt maximum and Valeri scoring 0 England won 66/41 Kuzmin 10pts and the talented Khlinovsky 11 pts also rode.In 1976 the fixture you spoke of the Robins won 47/31 Khlinovsky again scoring 8 pts Victor Trofimov scoring only four pts from reserve they were great events . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Valeri is still actively involved with the sport as the head coach of the Balakovo club...or at least he was last season. I presume he's continuing for 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: I went to the test between England and USSR on the 27/07/ 74 at Swindon Steve .Vladimir scoring 13pts spoiling Ashby's 18 pt maximum and Valeri scoring 0 England won 66/41 Kuzmin 10pts and the talented Khlinovsky 11 pts also rode.In 1976 the fixture you spoke of the Robins won 47/31 Khlinovsky again scoring 8 pts Victor Trofimov scoring only four pts from reserve they were great events . I remember being very disappointed by the Cowley postponement. It had attracted massive interest although, if I recall, the England team wasn't represented by the main stars of the time but with those making their test debuts. Of course in those days England had so many talented riders that could have filled 2-3 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I remember being very disappointed by the Cowley postponement. It had attracted massive interest although, if I recall, the England team wasn't represented by the main stars of the time but with those making their test debuts. Of course in those days England had so many talented riders that could have filled 2-3 teams. The England side at Swindon Steve was like you said made up of youth and experience Ashby 17, Jessup 16, Davey 16, Louis 6, ( 2 ex in that ) Thomas 5, Auffrett 4, Coles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: The England side at Swindon Steve was like you said made up of youth and experience Ashby 17, Jessup 16, Davey 16, Louis 6, ( 2 ex in that ) Thomas 5, Auffrett 4, Coles 2 Yes and Richard Greer was down to make his senior debut at Cowley (I think that he later rode at Wolves?). From memory both Bob Kilby and Gordon Kennett were due to ride at Cowley also. Great days Sid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, steve roberts said: Yes and Richard Greer was down to make his senior debut at Cowley (I think that he later rode at Wolves?). From memory both Bob Kilby and Gordon Kennett were due to ride at Cowley also. Great days Sid! One thing that did strike me Steve was the aquipment the Russian's had crikey it looked shabby.It looked dated and tired but you could tell as a nation there were a hard / disciplined race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: I went to the test between England and USSR on the 27/07/ 74 at Swindon Steve .Vladimir scoring 13pts spoiling Ashby's 18 pt maximum and Valeri scoring 0 England won 66/41 Kuzmin 10pts and the talented Khlinovsky 11 pts also rode.In 1976 the fixture you spoke of the Robins won 47/31 Khlinovsky again scoring 8 pts Victor Trofimov scoring only four pts from reserve they were great events . To think that Chlinovsky was just won ride away from being World Champion in 1973 if he hadn't been involved with that infamous clash with Zenon Plech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: To think that Chlinovsky was just won ride away from being World Champion in 1973 if he hadn't been involved with that infamous clash with Zenon Plech. Does make you wonder lSteve ,looking back in my progs Steve Jerzy S rode at Swindon in 1971 for Poland scoring seven points can only vaguely remember it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Does make you wonder lSteve ,looking back in my progs Steve Jerzy S rode at Swindon in 1971 for Poland scoring seven points can only vaguely remember it though. Saw Jerzy ride at Cowley in 1973...that is as far as the first turn when he got trapped under the kickboard and never appeared again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 17 hours ago, steve roberts said: To think that Chlinovsky was just won ride away from being World Champion in 1973 if he hadn't been involved with that infamous clash with Zenon Plech. I think Ivan Mauger came even closer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 hours ago, False dawn said: I think Ivan Mauger came even closer. One of the best World Finals (in my memory) for drama and incidents in my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: One of the best World Finals (in my memory) for drama and incidents in my opinion! And Ivan was one of the few that really feared the unheralded Jerzy, Plech at that time was the golden boy and was expected to be the biggest home threat. Edited January 4, 2020 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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