steve roberts Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Never made it to Kirky Lane but another iconic stadium soon not to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: I believe the fencing down the straights has now been removed, it's just massive tractor tyres protecting the pitch. My last visit to the Racewall was in May 2003 so things could have well altered since then. I was assisting with the commentary and throughout the weekend Ray Gunn and his family made me feel very welcome supplying me with bacon rolls and tea. Tragically Ray was killed in the Saloon Stock Car Scottish Championship in what became the last race of the weekend. Ray is the only driver or rider I have seen killed at a meeting and that afternoon still haunts me to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, keepturningleft said: Every year at the Grand National, horses are killed for 'our entertainment'. Not much difference between this and greyhounds in my view. Agree. In fact I think of the two 'sports' Horse Racing is far more cruel than Greyhound Racing. At least the dogs have a choice to run or not, although no doubt killed if they refuse, but Horses don't. The Grand National is definitely not the sort of entertainment I would watch. Never have and never will. I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Chris116 said: My last visit to the Racewall was in May 2003 so things could have well altered since then. I was assisting with the commentary and throughout the weekend Ray Gunn and his family made me feel very welcome supplying me with bacon rolls and tea. Tragically Ray was killed in the Saloon Stock Car Scottish Championship in what became the last race of the weekend. Ray is the only driver or rider I have seen killed at a meeting and that afternoon still haunts me to this day. There is a tribute to him in the main stand under the commentary box. Very sad day for the sport. They removed the rope and wire inner fence a few years back, although dont recall seeing any car make it onto the pitch after its removal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gemini said: Agree. In fact I think of the two 'sports' Horse Racing is far more cruel than Greyhound Racing. At least the dogs have a choice to run or not, although no doubt killed if they refuse, but Horses don't. The Grand National is definitely not the sort of entertainment I would watch. Never have and never will. I hate it. Are you saying horse racing trumps greyhounds 1,000 -6,000 dogs killed a year ? This is horrendous Sort of like the battle of the serial killers !!!! Edited December 23, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Gemini said: Agree. In fact I think of the two 'sports' Horse Racing is far more cruel than Greyhound Racing. At least the dogs have a choice to run or not, although no doubt killed if they refuse, but Horses don't. The Grand National is definitely not the sort of entertainment I would watch. Never have and never will. I hate it. I agree that any animal should never be cruelly treated, however, if the sport of greyhound and horse racing disappeared, there would be no need to breed the animals.Therefore, the animals would not even be given the chance of life. Which is worse, given a chance or never be born at all, obviously assuming that any necessary end of life is humane. How do we know if 'normal' domestic dog owners are not being cruel to their pets. Soon after a puppy or kitten is acquired, invariably they are spayed/neutered. The most natural thing in any animal's instinct is to procreate, but what do we do, immediately put a stop to that, because it suits us as pet 'owners'. The relationship between man and animals is massive and using animals in sport, in my opinion, is not the main issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Ray Stadia said: I agree that any animal should never be cruelly treated, however, if the sport of greyhound and horse racing disappeared, there would be no need to breed the animals.Therefore, the animals would not even be given the chance of life. Which is worse, given a chance or never be born at all, obviously assuming that any necessary end of life is humane. How do we know if 'normal' domestic dog owners are not being cruel to their pets. Soon after a puppy or kitten is acquired, invariably they are spayed/neutered. The most natural thing in any animal's instinct is to procreate, but what do we do, immediately put a stop to that, because it suits us as pet 'owners'. The relationship between man and animals is massive and using animals in sport, in my opinion, is not the main issue. That has got to be one of the weirdest ideas I have ever heard. It is cruel not to breed and deny something(one) the chance of a life!!! So in your eyes someone with no kids is crueler than someone with one and those scroungers with about 12 kids and living on the dole are the kindest people on the planet ? I really hope I am just confused here and got the wrong end of the stick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 I've witnessed horse racing in the flesh, as it were, just the once but took in dog racing at Craven Park, Hull a few times. It is the instinct of greyhounds and horses to run fast, they love it, you do hear stories of good and bad trainers and I absolutely detest animal cuelty of any kind. But like anything, speedway included, you hear both the positives and extremely negative aspects of such 'animal sports' and the honest truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Though overall I'm not a fan of animal sports and in fact gave up fishing some 20 years ago.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, martinmauger said: I've witnessed horse racing in the flesh, as it were, just the once but took in dog racing at Craven Park, Hull a few times. It is the instinct of greyhounds and horses to run fast, they love it, you do hear stories of good and bad trainers and I absolutely detest animal cuelty of any kind. But like anything, speedway included, you hear both the positives and extremely negative aspects of such 'animal sports' and the honest truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Though overall I'm not a fan of animal sports and in fact gave up fishing some 20 years ago.... How is it like anything ‘speedway included’ when talking about 1,000s of dogs being killed ? Tell me how many speedway riders are put down every year ? Even if it is hundreds that I don’t know about, that is way way less than the number of greyhounds by my reckoning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 I don't get involved in on-line spats but to clarify I meant to say we hear good and bad aspects of anything, of any sport, situation, etc. Obviously badly performing speedway riders aren't executed but if it's true that badly performing racing dogs and horses are then obviously it's terrible and shouldn't happen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 hours ago, iris123 said: That has got to be one of the weirdest ideas I have ever heard. It is cruel not to breed and deny something(one) the chance of a life!!! So in your eyes someone with no kids is crueler than someone with one and those scroungers with about 12 kids and living on the dole are the kindest people on the planet ? I really hope I am just confused here and got the wrong end of the stick You have got the wrong end of the stick, (certainly my stick), as usual! I'm saying that those people, probably dog owners (mostly), who will bang the drum that greyhound racing and horse racing (those associated with it) are cruel, while they believe they are anything but cruel to their dogs. How does a dog owner know whether their dog or indeed cat, being forcibly neutered/spayed, has a psychological effect on the animal? How would like your knackers or any other bits cut off (as we don't know if you are male or female)? Some owners leave their dogs 'home alone' when they go to work, for hours on end. The dogs get highly stressed, as the animal doesn't have much of a sense of time. Also, one hour to a dog is longer than it is for us. But of course greyhound racing and horse racing for the 'rent a protest' are easy pickings! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Blimey all this talk of cruelty to animals, they will be wanting to ban bullfighting next! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 6:26 PM, pitstop84 said: I can tell you 100% that NO WAY WILL STOCKCARS EVER RACE AT NSS. THAT'S A FACT confident then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabba59 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Yes like I've said 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 6:26 PM, pitstop84 said: I can tell you 100% that NO WAY WILL STOCKCARS EVER RACE AT NSS. THAT'S A FACT you may live to regret that one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 As I've posted before I don't really know much about dog racing so I can't comment about the animals welfare but what I will say if anyone who jumps on the animal rights bandwagon and claims that horse racing is cruel and barbaric are very naive and easily led or they have absolutely no knowledge of how the horses are trained and looked after. They are probably treated better than humans. Their stables are immaculate and are the equine equivalent of the Savoy with prices to match. Everyone is entitles to their opinion but what folk must understand is a thoroughbred racehorse is a trained athlete. They are ultra competitive. They are individuals and have their own temperament. They have a jockey on board to guide and encourage them but they are not forced to race. Surely you have seen a race where a horse has refused to start? A loose horse will continue running not because it is a stupid beast and it has been trained to do so. It will continue because it wants to beat the others (even though there's no jockey on board). Unfortunately though horses do get fatally injured. It is horrible to witness and no racing fan enjoys seeing it. When it happens it is usually instant (broken neck), but if a horse incurs a leg break, etc, the care they receive is immediate and the the horse is "put to sleep" within minutes. It's horrible yes, but if a speedway rider suffered a fatal crash or a driver is killed in motor racing do we say their respective sports are inhumane and should be banned? Of cause not. Someone posted on this subject that horses are killed every year in the Grand National. This is highly inaccurate. One unfortunately died this year but prior to that the last fatality in the race was 2012. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Not sure you can take all these comments as facts or from experts. I guess if you say horses are forced to race and that is cruel, you can say pet dogs are forced to run and pick up sticks !!! It isn’t behavior you would see a wild dog or a wolf doing ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Ray Stadia, on your point of "rent a protest" At Shawfield ther is usually about a dozen protesters with dogs, one night there was twenty odds. low and behold aTV news crew turned up to interview them. We have had to supply water for the dogs on a very hot summer night, so much for caring for the dogs. I was in a shop and a woman with a retired hound, she was a member of Greyhound Awareness, was telling a gob smacked assistant how a dog with one eye had run into the track wall and was hit on the head with a hammer. I assured the assistant that it was completely untrue. In fact we did have dogs who were blind in one eye and raced well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, tyretrax said: . In fact we did have dogs who were blind in one eye and raced well. Also had a speedway rider at Workington in the mid 70's like this, Steve Watson was his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Paul McHale was another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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