szkocjasid Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, enotian said: Doesn't he have an ACU licence though. He represented Great Britain in some pointless (as most of his meetings were) FIM meeting. I think he was only a 4 in the CL so the Diamonds appeared somewhere close to the points limit. Effectively he's not a commonwealth rider if that's the case. As he hasn't ridden in any official fixtures he should be assessed the same as any other new ACU licensed rider in the NL. In true speedway regulation fashion they've done neither of the two plausible options and gome up with a compromise. 58 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: That theory doesn't hold water. He was assessed on 4.00 for Championship. So he should be 8.00 in NDL. If he had British credentials he'd have started on 2.00 in the Championship like Connor Bailey did at Glasgow. As RoundTheBoards says, if he's allowed to represent GB should be a 2.00 Champ or 3.00 NL rider, not sure how he gets a 4.50 average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Regardless the league is looking strong should make for a good season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardey Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 4 good riders so far. Well chuffed for George as well. Yes he had a tough start to UK speedway but he was showing signs of improvements before we went under. Hopefully he has good machinery with him this year, because if he does, Im confident he will be a steal on 4.5 avge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Speedway28 said: Completely agree with all the comments here. Definitely looks like a line up that should get numbers through the turnstiles though. Only went to Mildenhall once this year due to the issues previously mentioned but this team will make me give it another go in the upcoming season. Just hope they get it right because people will return if that’s the case. I've not been for years but I'll definitely go this year if the track is sorted. Few better places for a speedway fan on a nice Sunday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 It doesn't mater where anyone was born or just where they come from. We have just seen a football World Cup with over half the players not playing for their country of birth but, the one that paid them to. Speedway is getting off lightly in this respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 13 hours ago, mc131 said: Sure he done a nl level meeting mayb a individual at Mildenhall and didn't score, better younger brits about don't think he will average 5 In fairness it was the Danny Ayres meeting where he got 1. By comparison Morley scored 2 and Hook got 3 and the podium was made up of Lawson, King and Heeps. As ive said previously im glad Congreve has got a NDL chance but its going to feel a lot worse if riders on comparable signing averages like Hodder, Simpson, Butcher and even Bebee miss out because of a dubious loophole that has been slammed shut previously. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 23 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: That theory doesn't hold water. He was assessed on 4.00 for Championship. So he should be 8.00 in NDL. If he had British credentials he'd have started on 2.00 in the Championship like Connor Bailey did at Glasow. What he was or wasn't last season is entirely irrelevant. By virtue of the Diamonds expulsion he effectively didn't exist last season. There was a lot of misinformation from the Diamonds promotion so who really knows but my understanding was that the Diamonds promotion didn't have a licence to employ work permit riders but could sign Congreve because he was able to take out an ACU licence. Not sure on what basis. There was plenty of content about it on the Diamonds 2022 thread at the time with most expecting his to be an assessed 2.00 as a result. The fact that he ended up being an assessed 4.00 didn't really matter as the Diamonds were incredibly under strength anyway. As I stated before it probably made the Diamonds line up look more acceptable than it ever was in practice. I think the key point is he couldn't have been a foreign rider because the Diamonds promotion didn't have the appropriate sponsors licence to employ such a rider. There really is no point in trying to make sense of any of this. The fact that he appears to have been given an assessed NL average which doesn't fit any known criteria tells you everything you need to know. It's all just made up to suit. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 I'm pleased for Congreve he was well out of his depth in the championship, no idea how he has his current average but personally I can see him putting a couple of points on it. The league looks fairly strong which is good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 9:37 PM, Bagpuss said: Always amazes me when clubs say they may not be able to afford to run next year and then a few weeks later are building a potentially title winning side great that they are coming to the tapes though of course. Also not their fault but Congreve's average is farcical! I'm sure the Club were on the knife edge financially, but thanks to the brilliant support, both physical and financial in the last couple of weeks from supporters, its swung the balance before we lose another Club. I for one will be making every effort to get to as many meetings there this year and I'm sure the Management have taken on board the many negative comments about the length of time meetings take etc and will be making every effort to rectify that. Lets all get behind the Club, and if you haven't been to West Row for a while, then dust down those programme boards and enjoy a Sunday afternoon watching the sport we all love. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 7:56 PM, phillwhitewasmad said: Thing is you probably care more about British riders been without a ride than the management committee do. I like you have no issues with commonwealth riders taking part but on a 4.5 average is just ridiculous Here’s some clarification, the rules are as follows. Max of 1 commonwealth rider permitted per team. New riders with British family / ancestry come in on 4.50, those without British connections and coming over for a first season will be on 9.00. George has British grandparents and therefore qualifies for 4.50, he is classed as a new rider this year as all records of Newcastle Diamonds were expunged meaning his rides for Newcastle in 2022 don’t count towards anything. (As is the case for every other Newcastle rider last year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 Excellent read in the Speedway Star and wish everyone there the very best of luck. Most encouraging too to read that they will try to schedule when possible on Sundays when there HASN'T been Stocks the night before. That could mean a massive improvement to the Track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, IanBrannan said: Here’s some clarification, the rules are as follows. Max of 1 commonwealth rider permitted per team. New riders with British family / ancestry come in on 4.50, those without British connections and coming over for a first season will be on 9.00. George has British grandparents and therefore qualifies for 4.50, he is classed as a new rider this year as all records of Newcastle Diamonds were expunged meaning his rides for Newcastle in 2022 don’t count towards anything. (As is the case for every other Newcastle rider last year) If only he'd had British grandparents last year he could have come in on a 2 point average like Connor Bailey 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 Are the Mildenhall management taking any steps to avoid running ANY meetings within 1 or 2 days of any bangers or stock cars having been staged? This can surely be sorted @ this time with the 2 fixture co-ordinators involved. Then with that sorted I wish the 2023 fen tigers good crowds an enjoyable free from injuries season with all home meeting completed with-in 2 hours. If this isn't possible it's time to start looking to build a new (free from bangers) track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, arnieg said: If only he'd had British grandparents last year he could have come in on a 2 point average like Connor Bailey It was a surprise to Diamonds fans last year George coming on a 4.00 ave instead of the 2 ave that was expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 hours ago, IanBrannan said: Here’s some clarification, the rules are as follows. Max of 1 commonwealth rider permitted per team. New riders with British family / ancestry come in on 4.50, those without British connections and coming over for a first season will be on 9.00. George has British grandparents and therefore qualifies for 4.50, he is classed as a new rider this year as all records of Newcastle Diamonds were expunged meaning his rides for Newcastle in 2022 don’t count towards anything. (As is the case for every other Newcastle rider last year) Have the rules changed then Jedd list had British grandparents and wasn't allowed to do national league and came in on a 4 at scunthorpe. Rules seem ok in theory though with one per team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Have the rules changed then Jedd list had British grandparents and wasn't allowed to do national league and came in on a 4 at scunthorpe. Rules seem ok in theory though with one per team Yes this is new for the 2023 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted January 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 The Mildenhall DJS Fen Tigers, proudly sponsored by Manchetts Rescue and Recovery, are pleased to anounce their fifth signing for the 2023 season. It's a warm welcome back for 2019 Fen Tiger ARRAN BUTCHER. He also signed for the Fen Tigers for 2021 but a pre season injury saw him unfortunately miss out. 22 year old Arran spent the 2022 season at Oxford in the National Development League putting 1.36 on his average and we feel confident that Arran can increase his average again back at Mildenhall. Arran has made it quite clear he sees this as a big season & that speedway is his main priority. He will start the season in one of the reserve berths but is looking to push for a place in the main body of the team. Arran joins us on a 4.36 average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted January 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 We are very happy announce that the sixth rider joining the Mildenhall DJS Fen Tigers, proudly sponsored by Manchetts Rescue and Recovery for a second season following his excellent year with us in 2022 will be JOSH WARREN! Josh started the season as a three point reserve but nearly doubled his average raising it to 5.79 and cementing a place in the main body of the side! The 22 year old Peterborough based rider proved extremely popular with the supporters both on and off the track and we look forward to welcoming him back this season and progressing again. When speaking to Josh about the possibility of coming back to Mildenhall he said 'of course ...snap me in half and I'm Fen Tigers through and through'. That was good enough for us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 hours ago, IanBrannan said: Here’s some clarification, the rules are as follows. Max of 1 commonwealth rider permitted per team. New riders with British family / ancestry come in on 4.50, those without British connections and coming over for a first season will be on 9.00. George has British grandparents and therefore qualifies for 4.50, he is classed as a new rider this year as all records of Newcastle Diamonds were expunged meaning his rides for Newcastle in 2022 don’t count towards anything. (As is the case for every other Newcastle rider last year) You mention averages for new commonwealth riders, but what about riders who are not new to the Britain, Hook & Pearson for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 8 hours ago, szkocjasid said: You mention averages for new commonwealth riders, but what about riders who are not new to the Britain, Hook & Pearson for example? I’m guessing (and that’s all it is) their championship average will be converted somehow but I don’t know the formula for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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