Sidney the robin Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rebel1 said: I believe that has been Lens' overarching requirement for several seasons now. The issues with the local Council planners have had it all put on the back burner till now. I believe that all League sides should take a real interest in the development of British riders by either running their own team or assisting with one of the dwindling number of stand-alone NDL sides. Totally right and the National league now is producing some talented young riders which is great.The next step for the likes of Flint, Palin, Kemp,Thompson x2 Bickley, Gilkes ( etc) is to make the next step which is a huge step to get astablished in the Championship.I would like to see these young lads be protected for a couple of seasons to let them develope no pressure and the clubs to support and assist them in every way.This in the longterm would help our National side it has to surely a rule can be brought in for that to happen. Edited January 27, 2020 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel1 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally right and the National league now is producing some talented young riders which is great.The next step for the likes of Flint, Palin, Kemp,Thompson x2 Bickley, Gilkes ( etc) is to make the next step which is a huge step to get astablished in the Championship.I would like to see these young lads be protected for a couple of seasons to let them develope no pressure and the clubs to support and assist them in every way.This in the longterm would help our National side it has to surely a rule can be brought in for that to happen. The unfortunate part of your thoughts Sidney the robin is the points building formula. The reserves, being these NL lads, tends to see them being dumped for lesser points average riders. Few if any promoters build a side from the bottom as they are more interested in the more solid scoring riders. I do agree though that these young lads need to be nurtured, I am sure that Len will stand by his decision to fledge Dan this year and probably coach him. He has the slot alongside Scott for this season in the pits so he will have lots of encouragement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Rebel1 said: The unfortunate part of your thoughts Sidney the robin is the points building formula. The reserves, being these NL lads, tends to see them being dumped for lesser points average riders. Few if any promoters build a side from the bottom as they are more interested in the more solid scoring riders. I do agree though that these young lads need to be nurtured, I am sure that Len will stand by his decision to fledge Dan this year and probably coach him. He has the slot alongside Scott for this season in the pits so he will have lots of encouragement. Well he can't have anyone better than Scott to help him along can he.I would think Len would be thinking along the lines of Gilkes doing his best in the Championship learning along the way which will hold him in good stead for the future.I think Gilkes main target this season is to establish himself as a NL number one he can do that which would be a great achievement.For these young lads though it is imperative that they have those NL rides to fall back on i hope certain rules in the future always allow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 23 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Spot on and what a refreshing idea that is blueherb777. I am sure that Len has publicly made it clear that his reason for running a National League side is to try to produce riders for the Kings in the future. Personally I applaud that aim and will support the junior side fully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally right and the National league now is producing some talented young riders which is great.The next step for the likes of Flint, Palin, Kemp,Thompson x2 Bickley, Gilkes ( etc) is to make the next step which is a huge step to get astablished in the Championship.I would like to see these young lads be protected for a couple of seasons to let them develope no pressure and the clubs to support and assist them in every way.This in the longterm would help our National side it has to surely a rule can be brought in for that to happen. I would like them protected to a certain level unlike in Poland. If any of these lads reach an average of about 6 then it proves that they are ready to be a 2nd strings as to average 6, you must be beating fellow reserves & 2nd strings. To move up if you get an average of about 4-4.50 would be wrong as some teams might go top heavy in the team leader department, having 2nd strings at around that level. Most teams will have 2nd strings about 5-5.50 so the move up should be correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Whilst im not saying the current system is perfect (far from it) i am against protecting riders. The Aussies have to sink or swim and they are doing alright, offering safety nets to riders does not help the drive and ambition. If you want to see a bigger pipeline of higher standard UK riders then the level has to be set high enough so that they know what is required. If the bar is set at competent and average then that is what we will continue to churn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: I would like them protected to a certain level unlike in Poland. If any of these lads reach an average of about 6 then it proves that they are ready to be a 2nd strings as to average 6, you must be beating fellow reserves & 2nd strings. To move up if you get an average of about 4-4.50 would be wrong as some teams might go top heavy in the team leader department, having 2nd strings at around that level. Most teams will have 2nd strings about 5-5.50 so the move up should be correct. Totally agree Iron and two examples last year Kemp/Rowe both had to ride in a top five when really they were not ready for that step.Both to there credit did pretty well but it could of happened to other riders and could of ended up being devastating to them.That is where a rule needs to comes into place that is not just about the team speedway side of thing's the National side's future has to be a consideration as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 How many riders have pulled out of the sport in the last few years because the step up was too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Whilst im not saying the current system is perfect (far from it) i am against protecting riders. The Aussies have to sink or swim and they are doing alright, offering safety nets to riders does not help the drive and ambition. If you want to see a bigger pipeline of higher standard UK riders then the level has to be set high enough so that they know what is required. If the bar is set at competent and average then that is what we will continue to churn out. The Aussies though often get time in the reserve berths though!!! for me all these Aussies as much as i like them should be averaging six points anyway.It does not have to be a sink or swim situation it is all about the future not just for the moment not everything has to be a dog/eat dog situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: The Aussies though often get time in the reserve berths though!!! for me all these Aussies as much as i like them should be averaging six points anyway.It does not have to be a sink or swim situation it is all about the future not just for the moment not everything has to be a dog/eat dog situation. You are correct not everything has to be dog eat dog but in the sporting world it usually is. Where Speedway has historically fallen down is the individuality of the riders and the way they move around clubs (loyalty works both ways i know). Other sports do have academy levels and the benefit of higher teams investing into the future riders from an early stage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: You are correct not everything has to be dog eat dog but in the sporting world it usually is. Where Speedway has historically fallen down is the individuality of the riders and the way they move around clubs (loyalty works both ways i know). Other sports do have academy levels and the benefit of higher teams investing into the future riders from an early stage. Yes totally agree with all of what you say, that is why i was so disappointed that Swindon were not aloud to keep the same seven riders this season.Continuity is very important for me in speedway and the winning side of thing's is not everything it is not as if there are massive great financial gains in revenue at the end of the season either. Edited January 28, 2020 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel1 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 New name for the young Kent team as the National League side will be known as the 'Royals'. Just have to wait and see what pictorial will be put on the racing bibs. It can hardly be a crown, but it is possible. Maybe the old Crusaders emblem will be resurrected. No doubt we will have to wait for the first meeting to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 16 hours ago, Rebel1 said: New name for the young Kent team as the National League side will be known as the 'Royals'. Just have to wait and see what pictorial will be put on the racing bibs. It can hardly be a crown, but it is possible. Maybe the old Crusaders emblem will be resurrected. No doubt we will have to wait for the first meeting to find out. I was told that there is a competition with local schools to pick a name for the team. Have not seen any news about the result. Did Royals win it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, East End Fan said: I was told that there is a competition with local schools to pick a name for the team. Have not seen any news about the result. Did Royals win it ? Copied from yesterdays announcement on the BSPA website. KENT’S National League team in 2020 will be known as the Royals.The nickname was selected following a hugely successful competition involving eight local schools, resulting in over 60 suggestions with Newington Primary School providing the winning entry.Promoter Len Silver said: “The competition was devised by our Commercial Manager, Graham Darling and generously sponsored by Specsavers, and both are to be thanked for such a great effort.“It has resulted in massive local publicity for the club with a whole host of new youngsters now potential fans.“Now it's up to our Fans' Force to continue that publicity with emphasis on getting out the news of our new Wednesday race night and our opening date of April 8.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Richard Weston said: Fans’ Force. What’s that and how does it work? Who runs it? Basically the club print thousands if posters brochures and fixture lists, and us fans distribute them around local tourist spots, libraries, work places, schools etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, teaboy279 said: Basically the club print thousands if posters brochures and fixture lists, and us fans distribute them around local tourist spots, libraries, work places, schools etc. Good idea that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 3:51 AM, teaboy279 said: Basically the club print thousands if posters brochures and fixture lists, and us fans distribute them around local tourist spots, libraries, work places, schools etc. I could probably get a few posters put up. Do I get them from the stadium ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman123 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 2:20 PM, Sidney the robin said: Totally agree Iron and two examples last year Kemp/Rowe both had to ride in a top five when really they were not ready for that step.Both to there credit did pretty well but it could of happened to other riders and could of ended up being devastating to them.That is where a rule needs to comes into place that is not just about the team speedway side of thing's the National side's future has to be a consideration as well. But others last year, with similar NL averages who started last season with 3 point Championship averages at reserve, moved into the Top 5 and flourished, like Ellis Perks did.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 hours ago, East End Fan said: I could probably get a few posters put up. Do I get them from the stadium ? I think now the pricing and fixture list appears sorted, I d imagine normally you can pick them up from the stadium office, or at P and P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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