Sings4Speedway Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 57 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: Talking of guests (of which there were none in last night's match) I think the NL have done a good job of reducing guests, by allowing more unattached riders. I note that despite injuries and a retirement, Belle Vue have not borrowed a guest rider from another team all year. When McGurk and Bowen were injured, they used unattached 3-point riders. When Compton was injured they brought Jack Smith in, and when Woodhull retired they brought Sam Woolley in. Not one rider in the 1-7 of another club appeared for Belle Vue all year! I've not checked all their results yet, but I can't remember Kent using a guest all year either. (I may be wrong). Im pretty sure the rules this year is that it has to be unattached guests rather than guests from another team or largely pushed that way. From memory i can only really recall Morley coming in for Kent and Coles guesting for Mildenhall. I do think the idea is a positive one....however its largely been made possible by the number of teams withdrawing. RTD must have ridden for most of the NDL clubs this season but if Newcastle didn't chuck it all in would he have been able to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: Talking of guests (of which there were none in last night's match) I think the NL have done a good job of reducing guests, by allowing more unattached riders. I note that despite injuries and a retirement, Belle Vue have not borrowed a guest rider from another team all year. When McGurk and Bowen were injured, they used unattached 3-point riders. When Compton was injured they brought Jack Smith in, and when Woodhull retired they brought Sam Woolley in. Not one rider in the 1-7 of another club appeared for Belle Vue all year! I've not checked all their results yet, but I can't remember Kent using a guest all year either. (I may be wrong). What ? Were you there PotteringAround. ? I counted 3 gusts terrry daley and sealey for the Royals , and Muff for the Colts ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: Talking of guests (of which there were none in last night's match) I think the NL have done a good job of reducing guests, by allowing more unattached riders. I note that despite injuries and a retirement, Belle Vue have not borrowed a guest rider from another team all year. When McGurk and Bowen were injured, they used unattached 3-point riders. When Compton was injured they brought Jack Smith in, and when Woodhull retired they brought Sam Woolley in. Not one rider in the 1-7 of another club appeared for Belle Vue all year! I've not checked all their results yet, but I can't remember Kent using a guest all year either. (I may be wrong). What ? Were you there PotteringAround. ? I counted 3 gusts terrry daley and sealey for the Royals , and Muff for the Colts ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 A very enjoyable meeting at Central Park last night. It certainly had no end of season feel about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Bit windy in Kent last night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) On 10/27/2021 at 12:19 PM, old bob at herne bay said: What ? Were you there PotteringAround. ? I counted 3 gusts terrry daley and sealey for the Royals , and Muff for the Colts ! Whose team exactly do you think Terry-Daley, Sealey and Muff are in? I definitely saw both teams only using unattached riders. Perhaps you need to go back and read my previous email properly, where I commented on how good it has been this year in the NL, with teams covering gaps with unattached riders instead of resorting to guests. Edited October 28, 2021 by PotteringAround 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/27/2021 at 4:13 PM, topsoil said: Bit windy in Kent last night? It took me a day but I just realised what you are on about! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 Gilkes just said that kent kings are not running next year's ..wonder if royals is the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Gilkes just said that kent kings are not running next year's ..wonder if royals is the same Oh no, not another ..... why? Is it too late for another promoter to take it on?? Edited October 31, 2021 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Trees said: Oh no, not another ..... why? Is it too late for another promoter to take it on?? It’s not just fans and riders, I think promoters are in short supply too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, Deano said: It’s not just fans and riders, I think promoters are in short supply too. Maybe this one isn't the promoter ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 10/28/2021 at 1:39 PM, PotteringAround said: Whose team exactly do you think Terry-Daley, Sealey and Muff are in? I definitely saw both teams only using unattached riders. Perhaps you need to go back and read my previous email properly, where I commented on how good it has been this year in the NL, with teams covering gaps with unattached riders instead of resorting to guests. Oh ! so you think renting in an "unattached" rider for the night, who has no interest in the club he is riding for, isn't a guest rider ? Splitting hairs in my opinion. Speedway updates calls them Guests as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Oh ! so you think renting in an "unattached" rider for the night, who has no interest in the club he is riding for, isn't a guest rider ? Splitting hairs in my opinion. Speedway updates calls them Guests as well. Not sure what your point is by trying to shame Speedway Updates for wrong use of terminology with the word guest. Speedway updates is a brilliant resource. It's completely unofficial, unpaid, and run by fantastic volunteers. Shame on you trying to pull them up for using the wrong word. To get it right, you could of course read the Speedway Regulations (available free online) where you would learn under what circumstances a club is eligible to use a guest, and under what circumstances it isn't eligible to use a guest, and must use an unattached rider instead. The consensus of opinion seems to be that the NL has made a move in the right direction by limiting the circumstances in which a guest can be used, and moving towards giving unattached riders the opportunities instead. But clearly nothing suits you. So perhaps you could enlighten us all what would stop your moaning? So, here's the question:- A rider in a team suffers a fall during his team's match and bangs his head. He's ruled out with concussion for 9 days. His team have a meeting 7 days later. They are already using R/R. Who should replace the concussed rider in this meeting? a) A rider from another team (a guest) b) A rider not in another team (an unattached rider) c) Something else (please explain) Now we know you don't approve of a), and you are whinging about b), so please explain your option c). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 20 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Not sure what your point is by trying to shame Speedway Updates for wrong use of terminology with the word guest. Speedway updates is a brilliant resource. It's completely unofficial, unpaid, and run by fantastic volunteers. Shame on you trying to pull them up for using the wrong word. To get it right, you could of course read the Speedway Regulations (available free online) where you would learn under what circumstances a club is eligible to use a guest, and under what circumstances it isn't eligible to use a guest, and must use an unattached rider instead. The consensus of opinion seems to be that the NL has made a move in the right direction by limiting the circumstances in which a guest can be used, and moving towards giving unattached riders the opportunities instead. But clearly nothing suits you. So perhaps you could enlighten us all what would stop your moaning? So, here's the question:- A rider in a team suffers a fall during his team's match and bangs his head. He's ruled out with concussion for 9 days. His team have a meeting 7 days later. They are already using R/R. Who should replace the concussed rider in this meeting? a) A rider from another team (a guest) b) A rider not in another team (an unattached rider) c) Something else (please explain) Now we know you don't approve of a), and you are whinging about b), so please explain your option c). Just about nails it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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