szkocjasid Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 hours ago, arnieg said: You are overlooking the fact that a guest can ALWAYS be used for a rider absent 9n Championship duty. (Hence Morley guesting for Kinsley) My memory is that's not the case, I'm sure they wanted to stop that to avoid doubling up riders racing in NDL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 hours ago, arnieg said: You are overlooking the fact that a guest can ALWAYS be used for a rider absent 9n Championship duty. (Hence Morley guesting for Kinsley) Pipe said: “If any riders are missing, it is now a Guest or R/R for a missing No.1, and then it is R/R for one rider missing in the positions 2-5. “If two riders are missing in the 2-5 positions, then it is R/R and an unattached 3.00 pointer. This is to try and eliminate the number of doubling-up riders we have in the NDL. “So if your team has two missing riders on higher-league duty that day, then it’s a guest and R/R, not two guests etc, as it was previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: My memory is that's not the case, I'm sure they wanted to stop that to avoid doubling up riders racing in NDL! I've already quoted the regulation Furthermore how do you think Morley guests for Kinsley if it isn't the case? Edited October 11, 2021 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, arnieg said: I've already quoted the regulation Furthermore how do you think Morley guests for Kinsley if it isn't the case? Kinsley wasn't missing due to a Championship clash, but because his machinery was stolen! According to the rules announced by Jason Pipe Morley shouldn't be allowed to guest! Seems either the announcement by Pipe was wrong or no-one knows the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Kinsley wasn't missing due to a Championship clash, but because his machinery was stolen! According to the rules announced by Jason Pipe Morley shouldn't be allowed to guest! Seems either the announcement by Pipe was wrong or no-one knows the rules! Kinsley is riding for Redcar, and a guest is allowed. 13.6A couldn't be clearer, a guest is allowed. Edited October 11, 2021 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, arnieg said: Kinsley is riding for Redcar, and a guest is allowed. 13.6A couldn't be clearer, a guest is allowed. As it contradicts the announcement by Jason Pipe, I'd say it could be clearer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, szkocjasid said: As it contradicts the announcement by Jason Pipe, I'd say it could be clearer! As a rule of thumb the rule book takes precedence over announcements by Jason Pipe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: As it contradicts the announcement by Jason Pipe, I'd say it could be clearer! As a rule of thumb the rule book takes precedence over announcements by Jason Pipe. Of course it would help if I was looking at the correct rulebook. I've just spotted this in the SUPPLEMENTARY regulations: 013.6 NDL Facilities - page 122 DELETE THIS SECTION ADD – i. A guest is permitted for a missing number 1 rider. ii. A missing rider, 2 to 5 by MA, either RR or an unattached rider. iii. A missing Reserve Rider, 6 & 7 by MA, an unattached rider. If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM / FIME Championship, irrespective of the riders MA, a choice of G or RR facility is available at the Team Managers discretion. My sincere apologies, I genuinely thought I was right on this one, but I was WRONG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, arnieg said: As a rule of thumb the rule book takes precedence over announcements by Jason Pipe. Of course it would help if I was looking at the correct rulebook. I've just spotted this in the SUPPLEMENTARY regulations: 013.6 NDL Facilities - page 122 DELETE THIS SECTION ADD – i. A guest is permitted for a missing number 1 rider. ii. A missing rider, 2 to 5 by MA, either RR or an unattached rider. iii. A missing Reserve Rider, 6 & 7 by MA, an unattached rider. If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM / FIME Championship, irrespective of the riders MA, a choice of G or RR facility is available at the Team Managers discretion. My sincere apologies, I genuinely thought I was right on this one, but I was WRONG. So is Morley eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, arnieg said: As a rule of thumb the rule book takes precedence over announcements by Jason Pipe. Of course it would help if I was looking at the correct rulebook. I've just spotted this in the SUPPLEMENTARY regulations: 013.6 NDL Facilities - page 122 DELETE THIS SECTION ADD – i. A guest is permitted for a missing number 1 rider. ii. A missing rider, 2 to 5 by MA, either RR or an unattached rider. iii. A missing Reserve Rider, 6 & 7 by MA, an unattached rider. If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM / FIME Championship, irrespective of the riders MA, a choice of G or RR facility is available at the Team Managers discretion. My sincere apologies, I genuinely thought I was right on this one, but I was WRONG. The pinpoint is the definition of unattached. Do they mean an unattached 3.00 rider like Jason Pipe had said months ago, or is it now any rider not attached to an NL declaration who has a lower NL average than the rider they replace? The latter permits Morley, Verge & Harris and from memory is how RTD has got a few guest bookings since the demise of Newcastle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Speedway for a tenner is a reality. Loads of comments on this subject from time to time and the final home meeting at Kent on Tuesday is up for grabs at a tenner. Announced last week at the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 3:00 PM, East End Fan said: Speedway for a tenner is a reality. Loads of comments on this subject from time to time and the final home meeting at Kent on Tuesday is up for grabs at a tenner. Announced last week at the stadium. Battle for 3rd place commences with guests on either side both who have kept the race rust at bay on the vetoed IOW this year and would be nice to see that acknowledged. Whilst the power trio of Gilkes, Kinsley and Mulford may be too hot at home for the colts the tail gets ever longer and Coles plus the two Jacks have had decent meetings around Central Park in the past. The weather is predicted to be fair and the price is right so hopefully the Royals can go out on a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Battle for 3rd place commences with guests on either side both who have kept the race rust at bay on the vetoed IOW this year and would be nice to see that acknowledged. Whilst the power trio of Gilkes, Kinsley and Mulford may be too hot at home for the colts the tail gets ever longer and Coles plus the two Jacks have had decent meetings around Central Park in the past. The weather is predicted to be fair and the price is right so hopefully the Royals can go out on a positive. Surely the guests have been banned for riding overseas, well over Solent? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, gazzac said: Surely the guests have been banned for riding overseas, well over Solent? Will they need to take a Covid test to get back in? Is the IOW on "the list"...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Pleased to see a Colts win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Just one home win all season for the Royals is both surprising and shocking. A team that has done so well on the road this year and a track with some home advantage yet the fortress that was once Central Park has fallen. Good for entertainment though and hope the numbers were food for a tenner. Shame a late surge or guests diluted the meeting further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Just one home win all season for the Royals is both surprising and shocking. A team that has done so well on the road this year and a track with some home advantage yet the fortress that was once Central Park has fallen. Good for entertainment though and hope the numbers were food for a tenner. Shame a late surge or guests diluted the meeting further. And equally bizarrely it means Leicester finish bottom despite being unbeaten at home. After seeing the Colts lacklustre performance at Leicester I didn't expect last night's result. On Saturday only Coles and Harry McGurk impressed, but at Central Park it was good solid team performance. JPB was noticeably sharper and more competitive while Sam Woolley picked up some vital points (and featured in one of the season's best races when pipped the line by Vinnie Foord). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, arnieg said: And equally bizarrely it means Leicester finish bottom despite being unbeaten at home. After seeing the Colts lacklustre performance at Leicester I didn't expect last night's result. On Saturday only Coles and Harry McGurk impressed, but at Central Park it was good solid team performance. JPB was noticeably sharper and more competitive while Sam Woolley picked up some vital points (and featured in one of the season's best races when pipped the line by Vinnie Foord). Sadly Leicester's season was over once Lawlor lost interest. The Colts on paper have riders who should be setting the league alight and whilst final averages might change Smith and Coles especially should be better than the sub 7 averages they are posting. Belle Vue signed two of the biggest improving reserves which is often key and got let down by the old guard. Wooley seems to be improving now he is settled into a team and against others who have been given chances this year he looks alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 No surprise about the Royals hopeless home form.Running almost all the home matches at the end of season negated any possible home track advantage, as most of the home riders hadn’t ridden “at home” for months. Only those who “doubled up” showed any home form. Coupled with the gusts who were strangers to the Kent track, made the whole NDL 2021 set up at Kent very much a poor relation to the Kings ...... Still got the home fixture at Leicester....which they will probably win ( if they find 7 riders) as they are good “away “ :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: Coupled with the guests who were strangers to the Kent track, made the whole NDL 2021 set up at Kent very much a poor relation to the Kings ...... Talking of guests (of which there were none in last night's match) I think the NL have done a good job of reducing guests, by allowing more unattached riders. I note that despite injuries and a retirement, Belle Vue have not borrowed a guest rider from another team all year. When McGurk and Bowen were injured, they used unattached 3-point riders. When Compton was injured they brought Jack Smith in, and when Woodhull retired they brought Sam Woolley in. Not one rider in the 1-7 of another club appeared for Belle Vue all year! I've not checked all their results yet, but I can't remember Kent using a guest all year either. (I may be wrong). Edited October 27, 2021 by PotteringAround Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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