uk_martin Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 "Russia has been handed a four-year ban from all major sporting events by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada)." So the question is...Is speedway, especially the SGP, SEC and SON counted as major sporting events that the ban applies to? Will Emil, the Laguta's etc be banned from international competitions and what will be the impact on the sport? Like most, I guess, I associated WADA's activities with Athletics, but the way that this article reads, ALL "major" sports are affected. I would imagine that speedway coming under the auspices of an international governing body (FIM) could be classified as a "major sport" (despite what some here may argue) and therefore the Russian competitors could come a cropper here, possibly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/50710598 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 It is a bit worrying. They have said UEFA aren't included as a major event organiser but you're right, we're governed by the FIM, a world body. I guess Emil etc. could compete in the GP's and SEC under a neutral flag if they can prove they are clean. But as a team event the SON is a bit more tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Think the word Major is the key word here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 No chance. Plus what I heard was that even the athletes could continue competing in the Olympics etc, just not as a Russian team. So even if it really really did under the most unbelievable of circumstance affect speedway, all it would mean is Emil etc would compete as Rest of the World riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, iris123 said: No chance. Plus what I heard was that even the athletes could continue competing in the Olympics etc, just not as a Russian team. So even if it really really did under the most unbelievable of circumstance affect speedway, all it would mean is Emil etc would compete as Rest of the World riders. As I said in my post above, participation in the individual events i.e GPs and SEC could continue under a neutral flag. But the "Rest the World" team or whatever you call it has not qualified for the SON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, False dawn said: As I said in my post above, participation in the individual events i.e GPs and SEC could continue under a neutral flag. But the "Rest the World" team or whatever you call it has not qualified for the SON. No, but they could be put in qualifiers. It was even talked about before the SON started about making up a team so the likes of Vakulic could compete. Plus there are so many previous examples in FIM events of made up Team Europe etc competing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, iris123 said: No, but they could be put in qualifiers. It was even talked about before the SON started about making up a team so the likes of Vakulic could compete. Plus there are so many previous examples in FIM events of made up Team Europe etc competing I can recall GB vs The Rest of The World as an example. But I don't ever recall such a side in a world group event such as the SON, the Pairs or the World Team Cup. I suppose the FIM can change the rules to suit but I assume they are covered by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Any attempt to circumvent the ban by calling a team of Russians something else will surely be jumped on. A Rest of the World team wouldn't all be Russians would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, False dawn said: I can recall GB vs The Rest of The World as an example. But I don't ever recall such a side in a world group event such as the SON, the Pairs or the World Team Cup. I suppose the FIM can change the rules to suit but I assume they are covered by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Any attempt to circumvent the ban by calling a team of Russians something else will surely be jumped on. A Rest of the World team wouldn't all be Russians would it? As o said it was a rumour before the SON started. But there has been a Team Europe in the FIM world ice speedway team final. There has also been one or two strange teams in FIM U21 or UEM U21 or U19 quails. Team Adria comes to mind with Croatian and Slovenian riders.... 2002 & 2005 !!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Ice_Racing_World_Championship It is irrelevant anyway if the European football championship isn’t considered major then speedway certainly wouldn’t Edited December 9, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, iris123 said: As o said it was a rumour before the SON started. But there has been a Team Europe in the FIM world ice speedway team final. There has also been one or two strange teams in FIM U21 or UEM U21 or U19 quails. Team Adria comes to mind with Croatian and Slovenian riders.... But the key difference is that they are not all from one nation. Field a team, under whatever banner, which comprises of only Russians and you'll run into the ban. I guess a "mixed" team, entered purely to allow some Russians to compete might be okay. But then you run into the issue of who picks the team and on what basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, False dawn said: But the key difference is that they are not all from one nation. Field a team, under whatever banner, which comprises of only Russians and you'll run into the ban. I guess a "mixed" team, entered purely to allow some Russians to compete might be okay. But then you run into the issue of who picks the team and on what basis? Think you are taking the p ? Last time they were banned they competed not as Russia, but Olympic athletes from Russia, even in team events, as a team !!!! They were /are just banned from entering as Russia under a Russian banner and play the Russian national anthem on the podium if they win... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Athletes_from_Russia_at_the_2018_Winter_Olympics Edited December 9, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, iris123 said: Think you are taking the p ? Last time they were banned they competed not as Russia, but Olympic athletes from Russia, even in team events, as a team !!!! They were /are just banned from entering as Russia under a Russian banner and play the Russian national anthem on the podium if they win... Not taking anything. Just trying to unravel what might be a difficult situation for our Russian friends in a sport I love and in which the Russian nation is on the rise. I wasn't aware that Russia had competed in team events in the Olympics etc. under a neutral flag. I bow to your superior knowledge. Edited December 9, 2019 by False dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, BangerBoy said: Think the word Major is the key word here probably more people attend speedway meetings 'week in week out' than athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, pugwash said: probably more people attend speedway meetings 'week in week out' than athletics. Err, Olympics.......probably more people attend one day of the Olympics than attend a season of speedway? No idea really, but given all the various events. Plus more people watch the Olympics on tv in one day than watch a decade of speedway on tv,at a guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 how would it affect GP's etc being run in Russia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, stevehone said: how would it affect GP's etc being run in Russia? I'd guess if there was any problem then we would hear about the Russian F1 GP having problems first. If we hear nothing then I would say speedway has no problem either. In fact found something which seems to state no problems for F1 or any such event where contracts have already been signed and it is legally impossible to cancel So this season and next would at the very least be ok if there is a contract with BSI. The new guys wanting to have new contracts could possibly have some trouble.......maybe Russia are hosting a few rounds of the FIM ice speedway world championships early next year. That would be a tester of the ruling. Plus Russia are due to field a team in the World Team Championships.... Of course it also depends at a basic level if the FIM speedway section comes under the WADA sanctions. I see that earlier in the year they dropped WADA from Supercross https://racerxonline.com/2019/08/28/wada-out-fim-approves-simplified-anti-doping-procedure-for-supercross Edited December 9, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 22 hours ago, False dawn said: ... I wasn't aware that Russia had competed in team events in the Olympics etc. under a neutral flag.... "Russia" hasn't and couldn't compete as a team under a neutral flag. Individual Russian athletes, who had proven themselves to be "clean" did compete though, as individuals, with all reference to their country of origin removed (as far as possible) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 It says in Finnish news that if CAS keeps this ruling, it will go down to governing bodies to decide which athletes can still participate. So in our case FIM goes through Russian riders individually and determines if they are still good to go. So who we expect FIM to ban? Ruslan Biktimirov or Laguta bros... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: "Russia" hasn't and couldn't compete as a team under a neutral flag. Individual Russian athletes, who had proven themselves to be "clean" did compete though, as individuals, with all reference to their country of origin removed (as far as possible) How did they compete in say, Ice Hockey then ? Just send one bloke out? bwahahahahaha Castagna talks As I said yesterday the FIM have come to the same conclusion, that the GPs and the ice speedway GPs will go ahead as usual as they are signed under binding contracts https://www.speedweek.com/speedwaygp/news/152894/Sperre-fuer-Russland-Was-aus-den-Grands-Prix-wird.html Edited December 10, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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