2021 season

[phillipsr]

1 hour ago, noggin said:

Doyle is a Swindon asset, how can you tell him he has to ride elsewhere, unless your scrapping the asset system and compensating the clubs.

Asset system is a joke anyway needs to ne scrapped

[sommelier]

11 hours ago, Beowulf said:

Sadly as a Wolves fan, I remember it only too well. In exchange for the World Champion we got, with respect, Jim McMillan and Tommy Johansson. However Johansson never turned a wheel for us and we ended using rider replacement all season. And whilst Olsen was allocated to Hull he never rode for them and ended up at our local rivals Coventry ! Screwed, I think, is the phrase !

Best money earner Ian Thomas ever maid! 

[Sidney the robin]

13 hours ago, Beowulf said:

Sadly as a Wolves fan, I remember it only too well. In exchange for the World Champion we got, with respect, Jim McMillan and Tommy Johansson. However Johansson never turned a wheel for us and we ended using rider replacement all season. And whilst Olsen was allocated to Hull he never rode for them and ended up at our local rivals Coventry ! Screwed, I think, is the phrase !

Ashby/ Kilby were both allocated to Exeter against there wishes both were superb though for the Falcons.

[Beowulf]

On 12/19/2019 at 5:26 AM, sommelier said:

Best money earner Ian Thomas ever maid! 

Whilst for us 1976 was disaster, in 1977 we signed a certain 16 year old Hans Nielsen. In the next 4 years we saw him go from an unknown reserve to No 1.

[Spl77]

Ah rider control that will fix the issues the sport faces lol. 

This time last year everyone had Ipswich to finish cut adrift at the bottom of the league because they could land a number 1 and what happen? Oh yes we made the play off final. 

The out and out number one is a thing of the past with the exception of Doyle at Swindon. 

If you want to control where riders go then sign them all on a central BSPA contracts put them in groups of one to seven and draw the names out of a hat to see where they end up for the season. 

[Pinny]

On 12/5/2019 at 7:35 PM, Phil The Ace said:

There really is going to be a massive gap between the teams next year due to the fact that swindon and sheffield and to a lesser extent belle vue have a few potential no1s leaving the likes of Peterborough and Ipswich with no no1s. 

I don't like that. 

Next year there should be some sort of draft. Riders need to be graded now.

Pot a

Pot b

Pot c

Etc etc. 

 

For example riders in pot a

Doyle,batch,lambert,kurtz,cook,nicki,holder,masters,thorsell

 

There are 9 riders there capable of riding at no1. There are enough to go around, but if you choose 2 of the 'pot a' riders then you dont get a choice of a 'pot b or c' rider. If you choose two 'pot b' riders you don't get a pick from pot 'c or d' etc.

 

Swindon and sheffield are going to run away with it this year closely followed by wolves and belle vue. Theres Going to be a massive gap. That's not fair at all. 

 

Add to that Swindon will win most home matches if not all by 20 points. Can any club afford to pay that out for a whole season. 

 

Let's make the league fair again and try get 7 competitive teams together 

 

Nownim going to disappear and ignore the replies lol

Why isnt it fair???

 

if a team cant afford to attract a number one based on their crowd levels they shouldnt be in the top division. Simple as that.

tried grading before and it didnt work, it definitely wont work now. 

[arnieg]

14 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Why isnt it fair???

 

if a team cant afford to attract a number one based on their crowd levels they shouldnt be in the top division. Simple as that.

tried grading before and it didnt work, it definitely wont work now. 

So you are proposing a Premier League of three teams then?

That will work great!

[Pinny]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

So you are proposing a Premier League of three teams then?

That will work great!

I disagree with sides bringing others down because they cant afford top riders. people can say what they like but crowds have been dropping ever since the product has been severely weakened. 
 

Remember 2004 when they brought the grading system in? How did that go? 
 

If a top tier club can afford two number ones then let them, they shouldnt have to split their top end up because other teams cant sign a number one. 

[DC2]

8 minutes ago, Pinny said:

I disagree with sides bringing others down because they cant afford top riders. people can say what they like but crowds have been dropping ever since the product has been severely weakened. 
Remember 2004 when they brought the grading system in? How did that go? 
If a top tier club can afford two number ones then let them, they shouldnt have to split their top end up because other teams cant sign a number one. 

 

Agreed, except that you need sufficient teams to make up a league and there has to be some degree of parity for a decent competition.

Grading definitely isn’t the answer though; it’s subjective and inaccurate compared to averages. In short, it’s nonsense.

 

[Pinny]

Just now, DC2 said:

 

Agreed, except that you need sufficient teams to make up a league and there has to be some degree of parity for a decent competition.

Grading definitely isn’t the answer though; it’s subjective and inaccurate compared to averages. In short, it’s nonsense.

 

Agreed. Also teams can build a side with the same grades as another team and have a side worth up to 2/3.00 higher averages!

[Aces51]

Crowds have been dropping since the 1980's, long before the top riders departed.  That isn't to say that their departure hasn't had a significant affect but at the moment, we can't compete with the money on offer in Poland or even Sweden. That means, that in the short term, we are not going to attract those riders back in any numbers.  

However, there is much we can do to attract and keep more fans and at little or no extra cost. We can improve the credibility of the sport by having sensible rules applied fairly and consistently. Preferably by an independent body. We can improve the speedway experience by more professional presentation with meetings starting on time and a requirement to avoid all unnecessary delays during the meeting. There must be a greater realisation that speedway is an entertainment. Riders and team managers must be able and indeed encouraged,  to express their reasonable feelings and opinions during a meeting.  I certainly do not advocate violence but the antics of riders remonstrating about the actions of their race opponents or the referee and of team managers dashing to a centre green telephone to let the referee know what they thought about a decision, was often long remembered after the racing in that meeting was forgotten. It certainly added to the atmosphere and entertainment.  Fixtures must be run on the designated dates unless there are genuine and valid reasons to make a change.  Timely and sensible dates must be set for the completion of all competitions and every effort made to ensure that they are adhered to.  Proper training should be organised for those involved in track preparation and regular inspections made at tracks to ensure that high standards of preparation are achieved. Promoters need to work together to find out what works elsewhere in the country to increase crowds and to improve the overall product and where practical, to implement those things.  A working party of promoters, riders, referees and fans should be set up to  devise and consider new meeting formats that could potentially bring a new audience to the sport. 

Edited December 23, 2019 by Aces51

[waytogo28]

That is not only the perfect Wish List for the future of speedway, it is the List I Wish all promoters would read quietly to them selves once a week and vow to implement as much of it as they can ( in association with other promoters in the best interest of the sport in the UK ). 

But IF there had ever been a time when this was possible, it has long eroded away and this stands no chance of coming about in the UK.

The BSPA long ago lost the ability to learn lessons of any kinds. Every action they take ( inc the recent Eurpsport one ) hastens the end of speedway as we know it here. Merry Christmas. Oh Oh Oh.

[Sidney the robin]

On 12/23/2019 at 2:26 PM, Aces51 said:

Crowds have been dropping since the 1980's, long before the top riders departed.  That isn't to say that their departure hasn't had a significant affect but at the moment, we can't compete with the money on offer in Poland or even Sweden. That means, that in the short term, we are not going to attract those riders back in any numbers.  

However, there is much we can do to attract and keep more fans and at little or no extra cost. We can improve the credibility of the sport by having sensible rules applied fairly and consistently. Preferably by an independent body. We can improve the speedway experience by more professional presentation with meetings starting on time and a requirement to avoid all unnecessary delays during the meeting. There must be a greater realisation that speedway is an entertainment. Riders and team managers must be able and indeed encouraged,  to express their reasonable feelings and opinions during a meeting.  I certainly do not advocate violence but the antics of riders remonstrating about the actions of their race opponents or the referee and of team managers dashing to a centre green telephone to let the referee know what they thought about a decision, was often long remembered after the racing in that meeting was forgotten. It certainly added to the atmosphere and entertainment.  Fixtures must be run on the designated dates unless there are genuine and valid reasons to make a change.  Timely and sensible dates must be set for the completion of all competitions and every effort made to ensure that they are adhered to.  Proper training should be organised for those involved in track preparation and regular inspections made at tracks to ensure that high standards of preparation are achieved. Promoters need to work together to find out what works elsewhere in the country to increase crowds and to improve the overall product and where practical, to implement those things.  A working party of promoters, riders, referees and fans should be set up to  devise and consider new meeting formats that could potentially bring a new audience to the sport. 

From my  experience Aces51 this year racing  in the Premiership was one of the better ones of recent years.Swindon my club have really got the club on a even keel the track is exciting not perfect but we are  getting there.We have a management team that the supporters can relate two and you can approach them personally and they will listen.Your club is the benchmark ok your team has fell short a little but in Bewley, Kurtz, Wright, Lidsey you have got lots' s to look forward to in 2020?As for the NSS the track is one that everyone can be proud of for me in the top four tracks in the world.My wife actually got me three DVDs for Christmas of the Colts and the meeting's against Leicester were terrific and it is great the Colts are running again.My wish for the next couple of years is for the Premiership to get to ten clubs that enter that would be great and for the likes of Palin, Bickley, Bailey,Thompson twins, Gilkes, Rowe, Mulford to kick on in the longterm.

Edited December 25, 2019 by Sidney the robin

[Bagpuss]

It remains to be seen what the seven line ups look like, we may be whittling about nothing but there is definitely a case for spreading what decent riders we have left across the seven clubs. Such a small league is a bit of a nonsense anyway but if you are going to have four strong sides and three also rans those bottom sides may as well run in the Championship and the remaining teams can have six months of challenge matches and all qualify for the Play Offs. 

 

[Crabba59]

On 12/23/2019 at 2:26 PM, Aces51 said:

Crowds have been dropping since the 1980's, long before the top riders departed.  That isn't to say that their departure hasn't had a significant affect but at the moment, we can't compete with the money on offer in Poland or even Sweden. That means, that in the short term, we are not going to attract those riders back in any numbers.  

However, there is much we can do to attract and keep more fans and at little or no extra cost. We can improve the credibility of the sport by having sensible rules applied fairly and consistently. Preferably by an independent body. We can improve the speedway experience by more professional presentation with meetings starting on time and a requirement to avoid all unnecessary delays during the meeting. There must be a greater realisation that speedway is an entertainment. Riders and team managers must be able and indeed encouraged,  to express their reasonable feelings and opinions during a meeting.  I certainly do not advocate violence but the antics of riders remonstrating about the actions of their race opponents or the referee and of team managers dashing to a centre green telephone to let the referee know what they thought about a decision, was often long remembered after the racing in that meeting was forgotten. It certainly added to the atmosphere and entertainment.  Fixtures must be run on the designated dates unless there are genuine and valid reasons to make a change.  Timely and sensible dates must be set for the completion of all competitions and every effort made to ensure that they are adhered to.  Proper training should be organised for those involved in track preparation and regular inspections made at tracks to ensure that high standards of preparation are achieved. Promoters need to work together to find out what works elsewhere in the country to increase crowds and to improve the overall product and where practical, to implement those things.  A working party of promoters, riders, referees and fans should be set up to  devise and consider new meeting formats that could potentially bring a new audience to the sport. 

Think you will find from this comeing season the scb, and bspa are doing something to sort out the problem with track preparation on saying that some tracks are fine.