Fromafar Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Because he isn’t good enough. Other than possibly Ellis and Wright I don’t think any of our senior riders are. We have a really good crop of juniors at the moment, time to grasp the nettle and put all our efforts into developing them rather than wasting our time on older riders who will never make the grade. Our juniors may be promising but let’s be honest they are miles behind in World junior terms.Whether they will get opportunities in right Competitions and leagues remains to be seen.Ive seen at least a dozen young Poles who are already in a different league.The excuse that they would not do well in GB though ,doesn’t mean much in the World Speedway these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, iainb said: Steve Worrall (as are many others) is better than Kemp, whether he was asked I don't know, but Kemp could easily be in the same position as Steve Worrall in a few years. Test Matches are for sorting the wheat from the chaff not world championship events But the point is once Tai was injured our chances were gone.....rather than take Worrall, Harris, Cook etc which is a waste of time why not give a promising youngster a better chance of fulfilling his potential by exposing him to a top class environment and giving him some valuable experience? Kemp or Palin might not make the grade eventually but there is a chance they will soon Althea absence of a third senior rider who is good enough it’s far more sensible to plan ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 5 hours ago, bruno said: When I bought my original ticket it was supposed to be in May ARE you sure ... thought the Manchester date was always October. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Let’s face it Bewley is by far our bestU/21 ,look a his performances in Poland this year, the young Brits have along way to go.Kemp is certainly our best prospect IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mark said: How good does he think he is ? The European Champion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: ARE you sure ... thought the Manchester date was always October. It was originally 8/9th May in Manchester ,I had tickets. Edited October 18, 2020 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 12/18/2019 at 2:02 PM, Mark said: Philip- proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It was originally 7/8th May in Manchester ,I had tickets. FAIR enough ... cannot remember that far back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said: FAIR enough ... cannot remember that far back Hope you have not been breaking the 10pm drinking curfew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Yeah, it was originally in May, on the Bank Holiday Friday (75th anniversary of D-Day) and Saturday. A summer date is a much more sensible date for the event next year. For starters, it's much more likely that a crowd will be allowed in the summer than October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Hope you have not been breaking the 10pm drinking curfew DOESN'T apply to knocking a few back indoors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: But the point is once Tai was injured our chances were gone.....rather than take Worrall, Harris, Cook etc which is a waste of time why not give a promising youngster a better chance of fulfilling his potential by exposing him to a top class environment and giving him some valuable experience? Kemp or Palin might not make the grade eventually but there is a chance they will soon Althea absence of a third senior rider who is good enough it’s far more sensible to plan ahead. Time for the likes of Steve Worrall to step up to the plate then, but he'll never get the chance with the current regime, just like Kemp, if he's not world class in 3 years time he'll be on the scrap heap and the next future world champion will be given the experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, iainb said: Time for the likes of Steve Worrall to step up to the plate then, but he'll never get the chance with the current regime, just like Kemp, if he's not world class in 3 years time he'll be on the scrap heap and the next future world champion will be given the experience Drew Kemp is eighteen, he won’t be ‘on the scrap heap’ at twenty one unless he doesn’t progress at all. You’ll have to explain to me why Steve Worrall would warrant a place or why you think he can make the grade internationally as I just don’t see it. Its also worth mentioning Anders Rowe who has based himself in Poland this year and hit himself some wonderful experience riding over there, something nowhere near enough Brits have done over the years although they can’t be blamed for making good money doubling up in the UK. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, iainb said: Time for the likes of Steve Worrall to step up to the plate then, but he'll never get the chance with the current regime, just like Kemp, if he's not world class in 3 years time he'll be on the scrap heap and the next future world champion will be given the experience Steve Worrall got that place in the 2017 SWC on merit, as demonstrated by his performance in the final - he was just about the only British rider who came out of that final with his head held high. Remember he was British No 2 that year as well. It's a shame he hasn't been quite the same rider since his broken leg at the start of 2018, because on his 2017 form, he would have been Lambert's natural partner after Woffy was hurt. As for this year, with Woffy out, our best two riders are Lambert and Bewley. There's then a situation that, as Bewley is under 21, it makes sense to line him up in that slot, since the U21 has to take a compulsory ride but the senior riders do not. So whoever was lined up at No 2 for GB was unlikely to get a ride. At which point, what's the sensible thing to do? Take along a rider at the end of their career? Or take along Kemp and Palin over to Poland to let them experience the atmosphere. My frustration last night was with the FIM and BSI for turning the meeting into a farce. Not the GB set up, who tracked our best two non-injured riders last night and therefore did what they are supposed to do. Who is on better current form than Lambert and Bewley? Name that rider. Edited October 18, 2020 by lucifer sam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, geoff100 said: Do u think the holder boys wanted to ride together and threw the dummy out when they couldnt, or perhaps no brown envelopes involved? As mentioned Jack Holder was in the original team, hopefully we will find out the reason why he refused his team place. I don`t see Chris Holder getting into the team ahead of either Doyle or Fricke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 hours ago, 1 valve said: Was there a supplementary rule made to allow Poland & Russia to finish the meeting without their U21 rider having to take the compulsory ride as per the rules? Once the decision had been made to rush the meeting through to Ht14 then call it I think most of the rules went out the window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I think it is right time to make brave decision and bring back proper World Cup. 4 teams, 4 riders each team with 1 reserve (maximum 3 rides to avoid using top rider as reserve). Easy and simple. Run it every 4 years, to see which team is the best in current riders generation. Leave pairs (call them SON if you want) but bring teams back! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) The only people who want teams back are the sore Polish losers. Edited October 18, 2020 by KeirStarmerFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 16 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: WHERE would all the riders, mechanics, etc, self-isolate? Pretty sure they don't have to isolate anyway,as how would Bewley,Kemp and Palin be riding Wednesday in the British U21 Final up at Berwick. Lets be honest they moved it to Poland expecting to get a crowd in and it backfired on them.If they knew they couldn't have any fans in paying the admission price they would have kept it in Manchester.You could have got two decent nights of racing on a track that can take a fair bit of the wet stuff unlike the drivel served up to us yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, iainb said: Time for the likes of Steve Worrall to step up to the plate then, but he'll never get the chance with the current regime, just like Kemp, if he's not world class in 3 years time he'll be on the scrap heap and the next future world champion will be given the experience It’s interesting that he hasn’t got a gig out in Poland when the likes of Craig Cook, Charles Wright and then even riders of a similar calibre over here like Sam Masters are riding in the Polish 3rd tier this year, Brady Kurtz, Nick Morris in the past and other Australians too of similar calibre. I’m sure if they were that desperate for a ride out in Poland they could get it but probably just happy earning a living double upping in Britain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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