DC2 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 And there you have it: complete nonsense. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Not that I agree with it, it is sort of sensible. So now that it's ok to do it, come on guys, start thinking about who you want to meet in next season's cup and, the 'draw' can be arranged early. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, hammer1969 said: So we now know the reason for Poole getting a bye after having been originally drawn to meet Newcastle in the 1st round, the following is copied from the Poole website. "The Poole management are keen to clarify the situation regarding the SGB Championship KO Cup draw, with their tie against the Eastbourne Eagles being confirmed as a second round tie. Initially, the club had been drawn to face Edinburgh in the first round but trying to slot an early cup date into the club's busy start of season campaign encountered a number of logistical problems, particularly as the Pirates, back on Wednesday night racing, have to share the date with Birmingham and Somerset (together with Kent) and do not have the 'grandfather' rights over those two already established Championship clubs. Newcastle, originally drawn with a bye to the second round, had greater flexibility in the early weeks of the season and so, rather than risk delaying the competition unnecessarily, the two promotions reached an agreement, sanctioned by the BSPA that the Diamond's would take Poole's place in the first round. The Pirates were then subsequently drawn against Eastbourne, who along with Kent and Scunthorpe were routed into the second round. Poole promoter Dan Ford explained "Our fixture list is pretty much very packed out in the first couple of months of the season and fitting in an early round cup tie was proving impractical. We spoke with the Newcastle promotion and reached a sensible compromise. The switch between us and Newcastle made sense on so many levels and so we jointly made the approach to the governing body to allow this to happen. The Pirates will race the cup tie against Eastbourne on 10th June (home) and 14th June (away)." Must think we are all complete mugs !!!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Must think we are all complete mugs !!!!!! But that’s the way in speedway. It’s hanging on by such a thread that manipulation is commonplace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 The Championship in my opinion was a nicely run league, we now get "newcomers" to it and suddenly a word in the right ear and cup ties get changed. The cup fixtures were sorted and advised to all, they should never have been changed just because one club found it difficult to fit in a first round meeting. If the can't fit in the meetings then withdraw from the cup altogether, or perhaps stay in a league with only 7 teams in it and therefore less meetings altogether during the season would suit them better. With a bit of luck Eastbourne will progress victorious from the second round, after all they did give Leicester a run for their money last season, and that should help Poole with their "crowded" fixture list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, hammer1969 said: The Championship in my opinion was a nicely run league, we now get "newcomers" to it and suddenly a word in the right ear and cup ties get changed. The cup fixtures were sorted and advised to all, they should never have been changed just because one club found it difficult to fit in a first round meeting. If they can't fit in the meetings then withdraw from the cup altogether, or perhaps stay in a league with only 7 teams in it and therefore less meetings altogether during the season would suit them better. With a bit of luck Eastbourne will progress victorious from the second round, after all they did give Leicester a run for their money last season, and that should help Poole with their "crowded" fixture list. 100% agree, can't stand Poole cheating & getting what they want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 5 hours ago, hammer1969 said: So we now know the reason for Poole getting a bye after having been originally drawn to meet Newcastle in the 1st round, the following is copied from the Poole website. "The Poole management are keen to clarify the situation regarding the SGB Championship KO Cup draw, with their tie against the Eastbourne Eagles being confirmed as a second round tie. Initially, the club had been drawn to face Edinburgh in the first round but trying to slot an early cup date into the club's busy start of season campaign encountered a number of logistical problems, particularly as the Pirates, back on Wednesday night racing, have to share the date with Birmingham and Somerset (together with Kent) and do not have the 'grandfather' rights over those two already established Championship clubs. Newcastle, originally drawn with a bye to the second round, had greater flexibility in the early weeks of the season and so, rather than risk delaying the competition unnecessarily, the two promotions reached an agreement, sanctioned by the BSPA that the Diamond's would take Poole's place in the first round. The Pirates were then subsequently drawn against Eastbourne, who along with Kent and Scunthorpe were routed into the second round. Poole promoter Dan Ford explained "Our fixture list is pretty much very packed out in the first couple of months of the season and fitting in an early round cup tie was proving impractical. We spoke with the Newcastle promotion and reached a sensible compromise. The switch between us and Newcastle made sense on so many levels and so we jointly made the approach to the governing body to allow this to happen. The Pirates will race the cup tie against Eastbourne on 10th June (home) and 14th June (away)." Why not race Edinburgh on the Wednesday Somerset meet Birmingham, problem solved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 hours ago, racers and royals said: Must think we are all complete mugs !!!!!! Agree,it’s not that long ago that Clubs had to ride 40+ meetings per season.Poole and Edinburgh don’t even share same race nights,they would have been better saying nothing as coming up with that excuse.Poole will have an alternate race day if they had to use it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Cast your minds back to 2018 & the uproar it caused when Scunthorpe struggled with rider availability for injured riders & requested teams move to their original race nights! Now this happens, about Poole, before the season has started & when a few fixtures could have been better arranged to suit the original draw made on the 27th November. When did the fixture planning start? A VERY POOR EXCUSE & posters wonder why Poole were hated in the EL/Premiership! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erimus11 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 What shot of crick! Just waiting now for the so called speedway "management" to dock Redcar Bears 3 league points because of this fiasco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Maybe they should have cut the crap and seed Poole straight to the final .. ...or why not just give them the trophy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, arnieg said: Maybe they should have cut the crap and seed Poole straight to the final .. ...or why not just give them the trophy. Or better still as many supporters as possible turn up at Eastbourne for the 1st match and Poole for the 2nd match and watch Eastbourne knock them out ( hopefully) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Sadly under this particular chairman I think tampering with a KOC draw might just be the tip of an iceberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, screm said: Sadly under this particular chairman I think tampering with a KOC draw might just be the tip of an iceberg. Isn't that the way Edward John Smith thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said: Isn't that the way Edward John Smith thought? I hope they have enough lifeboats, then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 hours ago, screm said: Sadly under this particular chairman I think tampering with a KOC draw might just be the tip of an iceberg. Strange how Mr Godfrey copped all the flak when he was Vice Chairman, now he is Chairman he still cops it. Why don't you have a go at the current Vice Chairman, or the other management members? Like it or lump it, Rob Godfrey is first and foremost a speedway fan and does not feather his nest and make loads of money from running a speedway club. It is Stockcars , non league and training events that fund his Speedway team. It would be very interesting to know, how many Promotors actually put themselves forward to be constantly shot at? By the way, I have nothing to do with the club, or management, just a supporter of many decades through thick and thin, who has watched his team thrashed many ,many times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, scunny1 said: Strange how Mr Godfrey copped all the flak when he was Vice Chairman, now he is Chairman he still cops it. Why don't you have a go at the current Vice Chairman, or the other management members? Like it or lump it, Rob Godfrey is first and foremost a speedway fan and does not feather his nest and make loads of money from running a speedway club. It is Stockcars , non league and training events that fund his Speedway team. It would be very interesting to know, how many Promotors actually put themselves forward to be constantly shot at? By the way, I have nothing to do with the club, or management, just a supporter of many decades through thick and thin, who has watched his team thrashed many ,many times. Why didn't Poole race Edinburgh on 29th April when Berwick are there for a one off meeting. Having checked the fixtures Edinburgh are not racing that night. Birmingham and Redcar are racing that night in the KOC so not to late. Edited January 28, 2020 by sparks123 Date wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Are there any other sports where cup draws are tinkered with after they’ve been made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Are there any other sports where cup draws are tinkered with after they’ve been made? The BDO darts did it last year with their 'World' Masters.. An organisation which is light years behind an ultra professional rival organisation that runs within the same sport... And is constantly ridiculed on social media for its amatuerish marketing, lack of clear leadership, dreadful crowd levels, unfit for purpose operating model, poor integrity, and has zero credibility in the wider sporting world media.. Any punchline can be added if required.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Are there any other sports where cup draws are tinkered with after they’ve been made? Was there not 'tinkering' on 'Its a knock-out',,, or was that just Stuart Hall??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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