mikebv Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, gazzac said: Devalues the cup, always thought it was the second best thing to win after the league, if it's so obviously manipuated from word go, who's to say the final might have been Poole vs Eastbourne if the draw was a proper draw and left alone, so whoever wins they may not have done if left unmanipulated. To be fair, with the sport allowing all riders to ride on an adhoc basis for any team, at any given moment, the changing of a draw won't devalue any competition too much.. Given the low level of kudos, publicity and financial reward in winning any Speedway title, saving money on travel whilst facilitating more 'local' derbies, which may produce larger crowds than riding against a team from hundreds of miles away, seems to be a sensible decision... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 If the reason it was done is Geographic then all the rest of the ties should be changed to be consistent. look at Glasgow they have to go to Somerset, thats not just a wee drive in the country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 Not only can I not believe the cup draw has been changed, there was never an official announcement about the changes, did they hope no-one would notice! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 Also Eastbourne / Newcastle had a bye, but Poole gets it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Not only can I not believe the cup draw has been changed, there was never an official announcement about the changes, did they hope no-one would notice! Notice what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Notice what? 4 teams have swapped opponents! Or ha ha, if that was a joke! Edited January 24, 2020 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: 4 teams have swapped opponents! Or ha ha, if that was a joke! 28 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Also Eastbourne / Newcastle had a bye, but Poole gets it now? So it's been fiddled, or are Poole cheating already??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: So it's been fiddled, or are Poole cheating already??? As there's been no official announcement, I have no idea who's suggested the changes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 hours ago, ekimba said: If the reason it was done is Geographic then all the rest of the ties should be changed to be consistent. look at Glasgow they have to go to Somerset, thats not just a wee drive in the country. Exactly, it's a drive in two countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 If you are allowed to change your draw Berwick need to get in there quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 The fact that the KOC draw has been tampered with at all just shows the amateurish mess we are in at times. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, screm said: The fact that the KOC draw has been tampered with at all just shows the amateurish mess we are in at times. If it's the way to go teams should start picking opponents for next season, it'll save having to mess about doing a draw. Cup winners could grab any byes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: If it's the way to go teams should start picking opponents for next season, it'll save having to mess about doing a draw. Cup winners could grab any byes. So its........ First round Berwick v Newcastle Edinburgh v Glasgow Scunthorpe v Redcar Eastbourne v Poole Second round Berwick/Newcastle v Leicester Edinburgh/Glasgow v Birmingham Scunthorpe/Redcar v Kent Eastbourne/Poole v Somerset Season after season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, screm said: So its........ First round Berwick v Newcastle Edinburgh v Glasgow Scunthorpe v Redcar Eastbourne v Poole Second round Berwick/Newcastle v Leicester Edinburgh/Glasgow v Birmingham Scunthorpe/Redcar v Kent Eastbourne/Poole v Somerset Season after season Could be, but the wise one's might just try and pick Newcastle or Berwick for an easy option and go mad with the petrol money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: If it's the way to go teams should start picking opponents for next season, it'll save having to mess about doing a draw. Cup winners could grab any byes. Agreed, And If some meetings are going to be guaranteed "loss makers" then they could just play 'rock, papers and scissors' instead to decide who goes through.. The positives are no loss making meetings. And the Cup could be done and dusted well before the cold nights of October.. Obviously it would be better to play 'rock, paper, scissors' in person rather than over the phone, to maintain the sports high reputation for integrity and credibility, (and make it more exciting) which will incur some travelling costs for the relevant team managers, but overall it would be a positive move forward for me.. Maybe even dip their toe in technology and use Skype and stream the 'matches' around the country to the thousands awaiting the results with baited breath? NB Best of Three home and away on the 'rock, paper scissors'.. No Tac Sub for double points if behind.. No guest 'rocks, papers, or scissors' allowed. Edited January 25, 2020 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, mikebv said: Agreed, And If some meetings are going to be guaranteed "loss makers" then they could just play 'rock, papers and scissors' instead to decide who goes through.. The positives are no loss making meetings. And the Cup could be done and dusted well before the cold nights of October.. Obviously it would be better to play 'rock, paper, scissors' in person rather than over the phone, to maintain the sports high reputation for integrity and credibility, (and make it more exciting) which will incur some travelling costs for the relevant team managers, but overall it would be a positive move forward for me.. Maybe even dip their toe in technology and use Skype and stream the 'matches' around the country to the thousands awaiting the results with baited breath? Quartz, Parchment, Shears is an evil game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Powers at be make themselves look more amateurish by the day. what is the point in having a draw if you’re just going to fix it/tamper with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 For those unsure about what is being mentioned, here is the original draw with the same 12 teams involved http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.37740 on 27 Nov '19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Why call it a "draw" in the first place, us fans aren't stupid a draw is when names are put into a hat/container and picked at random and we all know these meetings are mostly arranged/sorted out, and guess what apparently Poole now get a 'buy' funny that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, hammer1969 said: Why call it a "draw" in the first place, us fans aren't stupid a draw is when names are put into a hat/container and picked at random and we all know these meetings are mostly arranged/sorted out, and guess what apparently Poole now get a 'buy' funny that! do you think a bye is an advantage "hammer" surely its a missed opportunity for the club and riders to earn more,as a supporter i would prefer the extra meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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