W9 Lion Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Why 4 teams with a bye ? Is anybody interested in the KOC these days? It holds no weight in my calendar! To get 8 clubs in the second round. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 Great draw. It’ll be nice to put Poole in their place early doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Interesting that in the quarter finals it is the 4 winners in the first round who will race against each other , as will the 4 byes . Doesn't seem very random Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Paulco said: Interesting that in the quarter finals it is the 4 winners in the first round who will race against each other , as will the 4 byes . Doesn't seem very random Strange way to do it ,normally the full draw would put 1st round winner v bye. Doesnt make a lot a difference but why change things.Thats speedway though nothing simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 4:18 PM, Fozzie4388 said: 1st Round Poole v Edinburgh Leicester v Berwick Birmingham v Redcar Somerset v Glasgow Byes: Eastbourne Kent Newcastle Scunthorpe Quarter Finals Scunthorpe v Kent Birmingham/Redcar v Poole/Edinburgh Somerset/Glasgow v Leicester/Berwick Eastbourne v Newcastle What a load of rubbish, four clubs having byes! Why not have six ties with the two best losers also going through? At least then everyone would be involved from the start, everyone would ride the same number of matches to get to the final and teams losing in the first round would still ride hard for every point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, DC2 said: What a load of rubbish, four clubs having byes! Why not have six ties with the two best losers also going through? At least then everyone would be involved from the start, everyone would ride the same number of matches to get to the final and teams losing in the first round would still ride hard for every point. Sounds like a good idea. I am not aware that it has ever been done ? Can anyone enlighten me ? So far as I remember, every KO cup has started off with some Byes if the numbers make it so. This year is no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, East End Fan said: Sounds like a good idea. I am not aware that it has ever been done ? Can anyone enlighten me ? So far as I remember, every KO cup has started off with some Byes if the numbers make it so. This year is no different. The only difference is the the Teams that got a bye are racing Each Other in the 2nd round,normally they race aTeam from previous round, of course that could have been the way the 2nd round was drawn ,but you would get good odds on that happening!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasVegas Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, DC2 said: Why not have six ties with the two best losers also going through? You really think that's a splendid suggestion? Knocked out in the first round then re-instated because you were beaten by a potentially weaker team than someone else!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, GlasVegas said: You really think that's a splendid suggestion? Knocked out in the first round then re-instated because you were beaten by a potentially weaker team than someone else!! At least all teams would have raced to get into the second round rather than have a free ticket. They do it in the rugby union Heineken Cup, Europe’s top competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, DC2 said: At least all teams would have raced to get into the second round rather than have a free ticket. They do it in the rugby union Heineken Cup, Europe’s top competition. If we are comparing to other sports then the FA Cup is the pinicle of club sports cup competions. That has 5 qualifying rounds with more clubs starting at each stage. Then the bottom 2 "pro" leagues join in the 1st round proper and then the Elite at rnd 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: If we are comparing to other sports then the FA Cup is the pinicle of club sports cup competions. That has 5 qualifying rounds with more clubs starting at each stage. Then the bottom 2 "pro" leagues join in the 1st round proper and then the Elite at rnd 3. Can’t see your point. We’re talking about 12 clubs in the same division, not hundreds of clubs of different standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 At least half the teams that have a bye, will be going out at the first hurdle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Fromafar said: Strange way to do it ,normally the full draw would put 1st round winner v bye. Doesnt make a lot a difference but why change things.Thats speedway though nothing simple. Its usually done the way it has been done for next season. This season Edinburgh, Scunny, Leicester, Newcastle and Berwick received bye's. Matches were Edin v Scun and Ber v New. Only Leicester had to wait to find out their opponents. It allowed these 2 matches to take place when the teams wanted (as stated by another poster) and they were completed before the three matches from the previous round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, DC2 said: Can’t see your point. We’re talking about 12 clubs in the same division, not hundreds of clubs of different standards. There are plenty of other sports that have BYEs in early rounds to get the numbers right. For example in some drag racing competions it is possible to get a bye through every rnd into the final depending on number of entrants. I do think in speedway when Byes are needed the fairest way is to give them to either... The top 4 in the league from last season or the 4 semi finalists from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 FIXED! That's why our beloved sport is a mockery at times! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 From a financial point of view I would have thought the first round should have been regionalised? Poole v Somerset and Glasgow v Edinburgh would draw big crowds and much less travel, but maybe it's just the way the draw has worked out that highlights that to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, paulboy said: From a financial point of view I would have thought the first round should have been regionalised? Poole v Somerset and Glasgow v Edinburgh would draw big crowds and much less travel, but maybe it's just the way the draw has worked out that highlights that to me! Wouldn't really be a fair cup then. Regionalisation in the league is enough I'd have said. Glasgow and Edinburgh are likely to meet at least 6 times. 3 home, 3 away. 4 of those in the league, 2 in the Scottish cup 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Looking at the fixture list The Koc has been changed it has Leicester Vs Berwick (Newcastle Vs Edinburgh Poole Vs Eastbourne) was Poole Vs Edinburgh and Newcastle Vs Eastbourne Redcar Vs Birmingham Somerset vs Glasgow Scunthorpe Vs Kent Edited January 23, 2020 by Fozzie4388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Head Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Perhaps the four clubs agreed a swop, and I can understand the geographical logic if that was the reason, but still very odd / wrong that no public announcement was made and an official draw was amended after it had been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Devalues the cup, always thought it was the second best thing to win after the league, if it's so obviously manipuated from word go, who's to say the final might have been Poole vs Eastbourne if the draw was a proper draw and left alone, so whoever wins they may not have done if left unmanipulated. Edited January 23, 2020 by gazzac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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