mikebv Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, poole keith said: do you think a bye is an advantage "hammer" surely its a missed opportunity for the club and riders to earn more,as a supporter i would prefer the extra meeting Unfortunately not running certain meetings can work out more profitable over a season than running them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, mikebv said: Unfortunately not running certain meetings can work out more profitable over a season than running them.. I guess that if a club is worried about the number of meetings or the travelling distances involved, they could exclude themselves from the competition altogether. If the regulations allow for this, I dread to think what the reaction from officials and fans might be. As they used to say in exams in my day ,"Manchester United withdraws from the FA Cup. Compare and discuss!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) On 1/25/2020 at 10:45 AM, hammer1969 said: Why call it a "draw" in the first place, us fans aren't stupid a draw is when names are put into a hat/container and picked at random and we all know these meetings are mostly arranged/sorted out, and guess what apparently Poole now get a 'buy' funny that! How do Poole get a bye? Poole v Eastbourne in the first round!! Edited January 26, 2020 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, poole keith said: do you think a bye is an advantage "hammer" surely its a missed opportunity for the club and riders to earn more,as a supporter i would prefer the extra meeting I would also prefer an extra meeting but a team that gets knocked out in the first round get no further meetings anyway. My personal opinion is that all clubs names should be put in a hat and picked at random, if trying to reduce travel distance for riders comes into the argument I dont believe it should as many of them ride for both leagues and some of them also ride abroad so why should us fans be denied a level playing field in what is called 'a knockout cup' it should be just that a knockout from 1st round to last round. Not trying to get into an argument with fans differing opinions of this just saying how I personally feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: How do Poole get a bye? Poole v Eastbourne in the first round - winners meeting Somerset in Round 2!! My mistake, sorry, its Birmingham, Kent, Leicester and Somerset who get 1st round byes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Maybe the winners should be seeded straight to the final and, they can pick their opponents. Cuts out all the unnecessary draws, matches etc. But it can still be the 'Cup Final' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejeemy Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, hammer1969 said: My mistake, sorry, its Birmingham, Kent, Leicester and Somerset who get 1st round byes 22/04, Somerset v Glasgow. KOC. 1st round. 24/04, Glasgow v Somerset. KOC 1st round 2nd leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, hammer1969 said: My mistake, sorry, its Birmingham, Kent, Leicester and Somerset who get 1st round byes 10/05 Leicester v Berwick KOC 1st Round 23/05 Berwick v Leicester KOC 1st Round 2nd leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Normski said: 10/05 Leicester v Berwick KOC 1st Round 23/05 Berwick v Leicester KOC 1st Round 2nd leg Notice that the Berwick leg is the same date as GP Qualifier at Glasgow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkendlass Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 My solution is for all the other teams fight it out for the honour of meeting Redcar Bears in the final. im a Bears fan, naturally ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 I seem to be getting myself into a right old muddle over this KO cup, can someone please enlighten me as to which teams if any have actually got a first round by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, hammer1969 said: I seem to be getting myself into a right old muddle over this KO cup, can someone please enlighten me as to which teams if any have actually got a first round by. On 27th November, the draw was announced as: ROUND 1 DRAW: Poole v Edinburgh, Leicester v Berwick, Birmingham v Redcar, Somerset v Glasgow. Byes: Eastbourne, Kent, Newcastle, Scunthorpe. QUARTER-FINAL DRAW: Scunthorpe v Kent, Birmingham/Redcar v Poole/Edinburgh, Somerset/Glasgow v Leicester/Berwick, Eastbourne v Newcastle. The fixtures released on 23rd January appear to show: ROUND 1 DRAW: Newcastle v Edinburgh, Leicester v Berwick, Birmingham v Redcar, Somerset v Glasgow. Byes: Eastbourne, Kent, Poole, Scunthorpe. QUARTER-FINAL DRAW: Scunthorpe v Kent, Birmingham/Redcar v Newcastle/Edinburgh, Somerset/Glasgow v Leicester/Berwick, Eastbourne v Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: On 27th November, the draw was announced as: ROUND 1 DRAW: Poole v Edinburgh, Leicester v Berwick, Birmingham v Redcar, Somerset v Glasgow. Byes: Eastbourne, Kent, Newcastle, Scunthorpe. QUARTER-FINAL DRAW: Scunthorpe v Kent, Birmingham/Redcar v Poole/Edinburgh, Somerset/Glasgow v Leicester/Berwick, Eastbourne v Newcastle. The fixtures released on 23rd January appear to show: ROUND 1 DRAW: Newcastle v Edinburgh, Leicester v Berwick, Birmingham v Redcar, Somerset v Glasgow. Byes: Eastbourne, Kent, Poole, Scunthorpe. QUARTER-FINAL DRAW: Scunthorpe v Kent, Birmingham/Redcar v Newcastle/Edinburgh, Somerset/Glasgow v Leicester/Berwick, Eastbourne v Poole. Seems pretty obvious to me- someone cocked up on writing down the names after the original draw and as soon as they realised they corrected it( under 2 months isn`t bad) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 54 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Seems pretty obvious to me- someone cocked up on writing down the names after the original draw and as soon as they realised they corrected it( under 2 months isn`t bad) agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, racers and royals said: Seems pretty obvious to me- someone cocked up on writing down the names after the original draw and as soon as they realised they corrected it( under 2 months isn`t bad) Easy mistake...I'm always getting my Poole Brown Ale mixed up with that other one. Edited January 27, 2020 by Bear_Bottom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 The Eastbourne promoter has given his view and has accepted the BSPA decision as to the reasons for the change - without saying anything about the actual reasons, other than that they were valid!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: The Eastbourne promoter has given his view and has accepted the BSPA decision as to the reasons for the change - without saying anything about the actual reasons, other than that they were valid!! That’s a surprise- i would have thought he would have rather met Newcastle with probably double the cost of meeting them rather than Poole which would be probably double the attendance !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, racers and royals said: That’s a surprise- i would have thought he would have rather met Newcastle with probably double the cost of meeting them rather than Poole which would be probably double the attendance !!! Maybe he knows Pooles last 2 riders and thinks they're an easier proposition than Newcastle! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Richard Weston said: He indicated the reasons were confidential but it was not for him to say what they were; indicating that any such announcement would have to come from the BSPA. Therefore, it is not his place to say what the reasons were. I agree. It wasn't a criticism, just a comment!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Skidder1 said: I agree. It wasn't a criticism, just a comment!! So we now know the reason for Poole getting a bye after having been originally drawn to meet Newcastle in the 1st round, the following is copied from the Poole website. "The Poole management are keen to clarify the situation regarding the SGB Championship KO Cup draw, with their tie against the Eastbourne Eagles being confirmed as a second round tie. Initially, the club had been drawn to face Edinburgh in the first round but trying to slot an early cup date into the club's busy start of season campaign encountered a number of logistical problems, particularly as the Pirates, back on Wednesday night racing, have to share the date with Birmingham and Somerset (together with Kent) and do not have the 'grandfather' rights over those two already established Championship clubs. Newcastle, originally drawn with a bye to the second round, had greater flexibility in the early weeks of the season and so, rather than risk delaying the competition unnecessarily, the two promotions reached an agreement, sanctioned by the BSPA that the Diamond's would take Poole's place in the first round. The Pirates were then subsequently drawn against Eastbourne, who along with Kent and Scunthorpe were routed into the second round. Poole promoter Dan Ford explained "Our fixture list is pretty much very packed out in the first couple of months of the season and fitting in an early round cup tie was proving impractical. We spoke with the Newcastle promotion and reached a sensible compromise. The switch between us and Newcastle made sense on so many levels and so we jointly made the approach to the governing body to allow this to happen. The Pirates will race the cup tie against Eastbourne on 10th June (home) and 14th June (away)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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