Swindon v New Cross..1960

[Ovalman]

Just been given this programme, my current and ex-team. Anyone have score and heat details? Briggo at 3 for Rangers.

[BOBBATH]

I betcha Norbold will know the answer to this -maybe others too. One of my biggest regrets is that I never got to go to New Cross.

[HertsRacer]

1 hour ago, auntie doris said:

Just been given this programme, my current and ex-team. Anyone have score and heat details? Briggo at 3 for Rangers.

Go onto Speedway Researcher website under team by team, Swindon, all the details are there. Briggo scored an 18 point max that night.

 

 

[Ovalman]

21 hours ago, HertsRacer said:

Go onto Speedway Researcher website under team by team, Swindon, all the details are there. Briggo scored an 18 point max that night.

 

 

Tried it but not downloading. Broady at 1 for Robins, Teo at 5. Purchased for 2 quid off e-bay.

[iris123]

5 minutes ago, auntie doris said:

Tried it but not downloading. Broady at 1 for Robins, Teo at 5. Purchased for 2 quid off e-bay.

You sometimes( well at least I do) have to click on pages more than once before they show, for some reason

[Ovalman]

3 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You sometimes( well at least I do) have to click on pages more than once before they show, for some reason

No luck Doug, will ask Rob Bamford the Swindon stats guy.

[norbold]

19 minutes ago, auntie doris said:

No luck Doug, will ask Rob Bamford the Swindon stats guy.

Can't say I ever have any problem with Speedway Researcher. Anyway, this is what it says:

Wednesday 17 August 1960 NEW CROSS RANGERS 55 SWINDON ROBINS 33 National League

NEW CROSSSplit Waterman (C)33333--15Leo McAuliffeR122*---5 (1)Barry Briggs33R3---9Bobby Croombs1120---4Eric Williams33132*--12 (1)Jimmy Gooch1120---4Tommy Sweetman31*-----4 (1)Derek Timms2*R-----2 (1)Team manager: Johnnie Hoskins

SWINDONGeorge White2231*---8 (1)Neil Street1*002---3 (1)Mike Broadbank222F---6Brian Brett00R----0Tadeusz Teodorowicz2011*0--4 (1)Ian Williams (C)R23321-11Brian Meredith10-----1Ron Taylor0R-----0Team manager: Bob Jones

ACU Referee: Alan Day

Ht 1: Waterman, White, Street, McAuliffe (ret), 60.0(3-3) Ht 2: Briggs, Teodorowicz, Croombs, I.Williams (ret), 59.2(7-5)Ht 3: E.Williams, Broadbank, Gooch, Brett, 59.0(11-7)Ht 4: Sweetman, Timms, Meredith, Taylor, 61.4(16-8)Ht 5: Waterman, I.Williams, McAuliffe, Teodorowicz, 59.2(20-10)Ht 6: Briggs, Broadbank, Croombs, Brett, 58.8(24-12)Ht 7: E.Williams, White, Gooch, Street, 58.4(28-14)Ht 8: I.Williams, Croombs, Sweetman, Meredith, 60.2(31-17)Ht 9: Waterman, Broadbank, E.Williams, Street, 60.0(35-19)Ht 10: White, McAuliffe, Teodorowicz, Briggs (ret), 60.6(37-23)Ht 11: I.Williams, Gooch, Timms (ret), Taylor (ret), 59.4(39-26)Ht 12: Waterman, McAuliffe, Broadbank (fell), Brett (ret), 61.8(44-26)Ht 13: Briggs, Street, White, Croombs, 59.8(47-29)Ht 14: E.Williams, I.Williams, Teodorowicz, Gooch, 59.4(50-32)Ht 15: (Nominated) Waterman(r), E.Williams(b), I.Williams(y),Teodorowicz(w), 59.8(55-33)

 

[Ovalman]

9 minutes ago, norbold said:

Can't say I ever have any problem with Speedway Researcher. Anyway, this is what it says:

Wednesday 17 August 1960 NEW CROSS RANGERS 55 SWINDON ROBINS 33 National League

NEW CROSSSplit Waterman (C)33333--15Leo McAuliffeR122*---5 (1)Barry Briggs33R3---9Bobby Croombs1120---4Eric Williams33132*--12 (1)Jimmy Gooch1120---4Tommy Sweetman31*-----4 (1)Derek Timms2*R-----2 (1)Team manager: Johnnie Hoskins

SWINDONGeorge White2231*---8 (1)Neil Street1*002---3 (1)Mike Broadbank222F---6Brian Brett00R----0Tadeusz Teodorowicz2011*0--4 (1)Ian Williams (C)R23321-11Brian Meredith10-----1Ron Taylor0R-----0Team manager: Bob Jones

ACU Referee: Alan Day

Ht 1: Waterman, White, Street, McAuliffe (ret), 60.0(3-3) Ht 2: Briggs, Teodorowicz, Croombs, I.Williams (ret), 59.2(7-5)Ht 3: E.Williams, Broadbank, Gooch, Brett, 59.0(11-7)Ht 4: Sweetman, Timms, Meredith, Taylor, 61.4(16-8)Ht 5: Waterman, I.Williams, McAuliffe, Teodorowicz, 59.2(20-10)Ht 6: Briggs, Broadbank, Croombs, Brett, 58.8(24-12)Ht 7: E.Williams, White, Gooch, Street, 58.4(28-14)Ht 8: I.Williams, Croombs, Sweetman, Meredith, 60.2(31-17)Ht 9: Waterman, Broadbank, E.Williams, Street, 60.0(35-19)Ht 10: White, McAuliffe, Teodorowicz, Briggs (ret), 60.6(37-23)Ht 11: I.Williams, Gooch, Timms (ret), Taylor (ret), 59.4(39-26)Ht 12: Waterman, McAuliffe, Broadbank (fell), Brett (ret), 61.8(44-26)Ht 13: Briggs, Street, White, Croombs, 59.8(47-29)Ht 14: E.Williams, I.Williams, Teodorowicz, Gooch, 59.4(50-32)Ht 15: (Nominated) Waterman(r), E.Williams(b), I.Williams(y),Teodorowicz(w), 59.8(55-33)

 

Thanks

[Ovalman]

It was 47-43 to the Robins at Swindon. Briggo 18, Teo 11, Split 10, Broady 9 Street 9. Cheers Rob Bamford and Norman JacobsRob doesnt attend speedway anymore, occasionally seen at his local Waitrose in Malmesbury

Edited November 27, 2019 by auntie doris

[Sidney the robin]

Swindon.      47.    V New Cross. 43.      24/ 09/ 60.     Swindon. 1./ Mike Broadbanks. 33120. - 9 +1.  2./ Brian Meredith 1101 - 3+1.  3./ Neil Street 3231. - 9.  4./  Brian Brett. 0030. 3..   5./Tadeusz Teodorowicz 22232. - 11.   6/ Ian Williams 1132. - 7+3.   7.Johnny Board 32. - 5+1.  8. Ron Taylor 00.  - 0.     Total 47.  team manager Bob. Jones.          New Cross.  1./ Split Waterman 23221.  - 10+1.  2/ Derek Timms. 00- -    0.    3./ Barry Briggs 333333.  - 18.   4./ Bobby Croombs 01R 0.  - 1.  5./ Leo McAuliffe 1211.  5+2.  6./ Jimmy Gooch 20020.  4.   7./ Reg Luckhurst 21.  - 3.  8 / Tommy Sweetman 11. -    2+2.  Total 43.  Team manager Johnnie Hoskins. .    Heat 1.)   4.2. Broadbanks Waterman Meredith Timms. Time) 73.8.    Heat 2).  3.3.  7-5. Street Gooch. McAuliffe Brett.  Time )74.6.   Heat 3.) 3.3.  10-8.    Briggs TEO.   Williams. Croombs Time) 74.2.  Heat 4.)  3.3.  13-11.  Board. Luckhurst.  Sweetman.  Taylor.  Time) .  75.2.   Heat 5.)  4.2.  17- 13.    Broadbanks. McAuliffe Meredith. Gooch.  Time) 74.2.    Heat 6.) 2.4.  19- 17.     Briggs. Street Croombs. Brett. Time ) 74.6.    Heat 7) . 3.3.   22 -20 Waterman. Teo. Williams Timms.   Time) .  74.2.   Heat 8) .  5.1.  27.  - 21.  Brett. Board.  Luckhurst. Croombs ( retired) Time)  76.0.    Heat 9) . 3.3.  30-24   Briggs.   Teo.  Broady Gooch. Time.)  74.2.     Heat 10) .  3.3.  33.- 27.   Street. Waterman.  McAuliffe Meredith.     Time ) 75.2.       Heat 11.)   3.3.   36- 30.  Willliams.   Gooch. Sweetman Taylor.  Time)  75.4.      Heat 12.)     3.3.  39 - 33.    Briggs. Broady. Meredith. Croombs.   Time )73.4.    Heat 13. )  1.5.   40 - 38.    Briggs.  Waterman. Street. Brett.    Time)  74.2.    Heat 14.)   5.1.     45 -39.  Teo.   Willliams.   McAuliffe.  Gooch.    Time) 74.8.      Heat 15. ( Nominated )   2.4.     47.   - 43.      Briggs.  Teo.  Waterman.  Broady.    Time.)   74.2.       Programme changes Heat 9. T/S Gooch for Timms.      Heat 13.   tactical sub Briggs for Timms.    Second Half. reserves scratch race.  Luckhurst.   Board.  Taylor.  Sweetman.   Time )75.2.   Scratch race. heat 1.)  Meredith.  Teo.   Gooch.  Timms.   Time 75.2 ) .    Scratch race heat 2. )  Waterman.  Street. Williams. Briggs.   Time)  75.4       Scratch race 3.  Broady.  McAuliffe. Croombs.  Brett.   Time )75.2.   Grand Final.  Broady.  Waterman.  Meredith. Teo.   Time )74.8.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Sidney the robin

[Split]

3 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Swindon.      47.    V New Cross. 43.      24/ 09/ 60.     Swindon. 1./ Mike Broadbanks. 33120. - 9 +1.  2./ Brian Meredith 1101 - 3+1.  3./ Neil Street 3231. - 9.  4/.Tadeusz Teodorowicz 22232. - 11. 5./ Ian Williams 1132. - 7+3.   6.Johnny Board 32. - 5+1.  Ron Taylor 00.  - 0.     Total 47.  team manager Bob. Jones.          New Cross.  1./ Split Waterman 23221.  - 10+1.  2/ Derek Timms. 00- -    0.    3./ Barry Briggs 333333.  - 18.   4./ Bobby Croombs 01R 0.  - 1.  5./ Leo McAuliffe 1211.  5+2.  6./ Reg Luckhurst 21.  - 3.  7./ Tommy Sweetman 11. -    2+2.  Total 43.  Team manager Johnnie Hoskins. .    Heat 1.)   4.2. Broadbanks Waterman Meredith Timms. Time) 73.8.    Heat 2).  3.3.  7-5. Street Gooch. McAuliffe Brett.  Time )74.6.   Heat 3.) 3.3.  10-8.    Briggs TEO.   Williams. Croombs Time) 74.2.  Heat 4.)  3.3.  13-11.  Board. Luckhurst.  Sweetman.  Taylor.  Time) .  75.2.   Heat 5.)  4.2.  17- 13.    Broadbanks. McAuliffe Meredith. Gooch.  Time) 74.2.    Heat 6.) 2.4.  19- 17.     Briggs. Street Croombs. Brett. Time ) 74.6.    Heat 7) . 3.3.   22 -20 Waterman. Teo. Williams Timms.   Time) .  74.2.   Heat 8) .  5.1.  27.  - 21.  Brett. Board.  Luckhurst. Croombs ( retired) Time)  76.0.    Heat 9) . 3.3.  30-24   Briggs.   Teo.  Broady Gooch. Time.)  74.2.     Heat 10) .  3.3.  33.- 27.   Street. Waterman.  McAuliffe Meredith.     Time ) 75.2.       Heat 11.)   3.3.   36- 30.  Willliams.   Gooch. Sweetman Taylor.  Time)  75.4.      Heat 12.)     3.3.  39 - 33.    Briggs. Broady. Meredith. Croombs.   Time )73.4.    Heat 13. )  1.5.   40 - 38.    Briggs.  Waterman. Street. Brett.    Time)  74.2.    Heat 14.)   5.1.     45 -39.  Teo.   Willliams.   McAuliffe.  Gooch.    Time) 74.8.      Heat 15. ( Nominated )   2.4.     47.   - 43.      Briggs.  Teo.  Waterman.  Broady.    Time.)   74.2.       Programme changes Heat 9. T/S Gooch for Timms.      Heat 13.   tactical sub Briggs for Timms.    Second Half. reserves scratch race.  Luckhurst.   Board.  Taylor.  Sweetman.   Time )75.2.   Scratch race. heat 1.)  Meredith.  Teo.   Gooch.  Timms.   Time 75.2 ) .    Scratch race heat 2. )  Waterman.  Street. Williams. Briggs.   Time)  75.4       Scratch race 3.  Broady.  McAuliffe. Croombs.  Brett.   Time )75.2.   Grand Final.  Broady.  Waterman.  Meredith. Teo.   Time )74.8.

Am I reading this incorrectly or are Brett and Gooch only shown in the heat results and not in the team line ups? Were there not 8 man teams in the National League in 1960?

Edited November 27, 2019 by Split
correction

[Sidney the robin]

3 hours ago, Split said:

Am I reading this incorrectly or are Brett and Gooch only shown in the heat results and not in the team line ups? Were there not 8 man teams in the National League in 1960?

Oops sorry Split !!!# you are spot on sorry forgot Brian Brett and Jimmy Gooch in there individual totals.Changed original results as you said 1/ 8 line ups.

[BOBBATH]

Was interested to follow this thread -one question-was the Ron Taylor-actually Roy Taylor who rode for Neath in 1962?? Also interested to see Brian Brett's score- recall him being the top qualifier for the British Final in 1964-when he was a favourite to win it and regarded as a cert for the 1964 World Final-not to be. Came back in 1965 and did make the World Final- I was there- he rode very well-does anyone know why Brettie retired so young- and come to that I reckon if he had carried on  he could have got to a few other Finals. Any thoughts??

[chunky]

2 hours ago, BOBBATH said:

Was interested to follow this thread -one question-was the Ron Taylor-actually Roy Taylor who rode for Neath in 1962?? 

Looking at photos of them, they are two totally different people. I can't find much about about Roy's career, but Ron was a well-known grass-tracker who rode for Swindon and Wolves only.

[Sidney the robin]

7 hours ago, BOBBATH said:

Was interested to follow this thread -one question-was the Ron Taylor-actually Roy Taylor who rode for Neath in 1962?? Also interested to see Brian Brett's score- recall him being the top qualifier for the British Final in 1964-when he was a favourite to win it and regarded as a cert for the 1964 World Final-not to be. Came back in 1965 and did make the World Final- I was there- he rode very well-does anyone know why Brettie retired so young- and come to that I reckon if he had carried on  he could have got to a few other Finals. Any thoughts??

Bobbath was very surprised to see Tommy Sweetman down at number 8 in 1960.He was aged 30 then was he a late starter ??? he was quite old in the Jimmy Squibb mould when i see him ride.

[norbold]

4 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Bobbath was very surprised to see Tommy Sweetman down at number 8 in 1960.He was aged 30 then was he a late starter ??? he was quite old in the Jimmy Squibb mould when i see him ride.

He began his career in the early 1950s, riding at non-league tracks such as Rye House. His first team was Aldershot 1954. His last year was 1969 at Hackney.

[Split]

10 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Bobbath was very surprised to see Tommy Sweetman down at number 8 in 1960.He was aged 30 then was he a late starter ??? he was quite old in the Jimmy Squibb mould when i see him ride.

Tommy Sweetman never really made it at New Cross but 'went provincial'  by moving to Wolverhampton where he performed with distinction for a number of years. I think he must have been close to 40 years of age when he finally retired.  

[Ovalman]

On 11/27/2019 at 1:03 PM, Sidney the robin said:

Swindon.      47.    V New Cross. 43.      24/ 09/ 60.     Swindon. 1./ Mike Broadbanks. 33120. - 9 +1.  2./ Brian Meredith 1101 - 3+1.  3./ Neil Street 3231. - 9.  4./  Brian Brett. 0030. 3..   5./Tadeusz Teodorowicz 22232. - 11.   6/ Ian Williams 1132. - 7+3.   7.Johnny Board 32. - 5+1.  8. Ron Taylor 00.  - 0.     Total 47.  team manager Bob. Jones.          New Cross.  1./ Split Waterman 23221.  - 10+1.  2/ Derek Timms. 00- -    0.    3./ Barry Briggs 333333.  - 18.   4./ Bobby Croombs 01R 0.  - 1.  5./ Leo McAuliffe 1211.  5+2.  6./ Jimmy Gooch 20020.  4.   7./ Reg Luckhurst 21.  - 3.  8 / Tommy Sweetman 11. -    2+2.  Total 43.  Team manager Johnnie Hoskins. .    Heat 1.)   4.2. Broadbanks Waterman Meredith Timms. Time) 73.8.    Heat 2).  3.3.  7-5. Street Gooch. McAuliffe Brett.  Time )74.6.   Heat 3.) 3.3.  10-8.    Briggs TEO.   Williams. Croombs Time) 74.2.  Heat 4.)  3.3.  13-11.  Board. Luckhurst.  Sweetman.  Taylor.  Time) .  75.2.   Heat 5.)  4.2.  17- 13.    Broadbanks. McAuliffe Meredith. Gooch.  Time) 74.2.    Heat 6.) 2.4.  19- 17.     Briggs. Street Croombs. Brett. Time ) 74.6.    Heat 7) . 3.3.   22 -20 Waterman. Teo. Williams Timms.   Time) .  74.2.   Heat 8) .  5.1.  27.  - 21.  Brett. Board.  Luckhurst. Croombs ( retired) Time)  76.0.    Heat 9) . 3.3.  30-24   Briggs.   Teo.  Broady Gooch. Time.)  74.2.     Heat 10) .  3.3.  33.- 27.   Street. Waterman.  McAuliffe Meredith.     Time ) 75.2.       Heat 11.)   3.3.   36- 30.  Willliams.   Gooch. Sweetman Taylor.  Time)  75.4.      Heat 12.)     3.3.  39 - 33.    Briggs. Broady. Meredith. Croombs.   Time )73.4.    Heat 13. )  1.5.   40 - 38.    Briggs.  Waterman. Street. Brett.    Time)  74.2.    Heat 14.)   5.1.     45 -39.  Teo.   Willliams.   McAuliffe.  Gooch.    Time) 74.8.      Heat 15. ( Nominated )   2.4.     47.   - 43.      Briggs.  Teo.  Waterman.  Broady.    Time.)   74.2.       Programme changes Heat 9. T/S Gooch for Timms.      Heat 13.   tactical sub Briggs for Timms.    Second Half. reserves scratch race.  Luckhurst.   Board.  Taylor.  Sweetman.   Time )75.2.   Scratch race. heat 1.)  Meredith.  Teo.   Gooch.  Timms.   Time 75.2 ) .    Scratch race heat 2. )  Waterman.  Street. Williams. Briggs.   Time)  75.4       Scratch race 3.  Broady.  McAuliffe. Croombs.  Brett.   Time )75.2.   Grand Final.  Broady.  Waterman.  Meredith. Teo.   Time )74.8.

And 8 special buses ran to the stadium!

Edited November 28, 2019 by auntie doris

[chunky]

3 hours ago, Split said:

Tommy Sweetman never really made it at New Cross but 'went provincial'  by moving to Wolverhampton where he performed with distinction for a number of years. I think he must have been close to 40 years of age when he finally retired.  

He turned 39 in July 1969, and he retired at the end of the season when he emigrated to New Zealand.

[iris123]

31 minutes ago, chunky said:

He turned 39 in July 1969, and he retired at the end of the season when he emigrated to New Zealand.

Ah that explains how he got an NZ cap!!!