cheekycobra Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 12 teams. would have been perfect to re-introduce the fours qualifiers. three groups of 4 with each winner to the final plus the best runner up. Missed a trick I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, cheekycobra said: 12 teams. would have been perfect to re-introduce the fours qualifiers. three groups of 4 with each winner to the final plus the best runner up. Missed a trick I think. Nothing announced yet as they await Newcastle's decision!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted November 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Nothing announced yet as they await Newcastle's decision!!! If Newcastle are out then Plymouth will move up otherwise the North/South devide wont work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, cheekycobra said: If Newcastle are out then Plymouth will move up otherwise the North/South devide wont work. Its not a 'Newcastle out - Plymouth in' scenario. If Newcastle don't run then there will be an imbalance between the North and South, but thsigns for the Diamonds are looking much more positive. Plymouth's bid was declined due to financial uncertainties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Its not a 'Newcastle out - Plymouth in' scenario. If Newcastle don't run then there will be an imbalance between the North and South, but thsigns for the Diamonds are looking much more positive. Plymouth's bid was declined due to financial uncertainties. Where have you heard this? All I've heard is they're 'speaking with potential investors' which is about as generic of a comment as any team in Newcastle's position would make... Who knows what's actually going on? I hope you're right though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dandelion said: Where have you heard this? All I've heard is they're 'speaking with potential investors' which is about as generic of a comment as any team in Newcastle's position would make... Who knows what's actually going on? I hope you're right though Dave's probly torned his mattress owa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 The Fours qualifiers were always a great crowd puller, certainly in the northern section, and of course they should return. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamonds7 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said: Dave's probly torned his mattress owa That the king size double Duvan thingy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, diamonds7 said: That the king size double Duvan thingy Aye, a bet there's a couple of penny blacks under there too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, screm said: The Fours qualifiers were always a great crowd puller, certainly in the northern section, and of course they should return. They certainly were, but for some reason southern fans just never took to it, and qualifiers cost southern clubs money. Remember you need to pay for 20 riders instead of 14 (4 x teams of 4 + 4 reserves), and teams are usually composed of the top riders (i.e. the most expensive). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/17/2019 at 10:09 PM, leander said: They certainly were, but for some reason southern fans just never took to it, and qualifiers cost southern clubs money. Remember you need to pay for 20 riders instead of 14 (4 x teams of 4 + 4 reserves), and teams are usually composed of the top riders (i.e. the most expensive). surely it's the same as league - you only pay for your own riders - five each, although of course the home leg has to pay for the three away ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, George Dodds said: surely it's the same as league - you only pay for your own riders - five each, although of course the home leg has to pay for the three away ones. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, George Dodds said: surely it's the same as league - you only pay for your own riders - five each, although of course the home leg has to pay for the three away ones. As you say the reason many of the promoters don't like the Fours qualifiers over 4 tracks is that as it has changed in recent seasons that you pay for your riders points home and away (not like it used to be when the home promoter paid all points). Therefore if you have a successful fours competition in this format you get income from one leg then have to pay your riders for 3 away meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 11/21/2019 at 8:57 PM, slyfox said: As you say the reason many of the promoters don't like the Fours qualifiers over 4 tracks is that as it has changed in recent seasons that you pay for your riders points home and away (not like it used to be when the home promoter paid all points). Therefore if you have a successful fours competition in this format you get income from one leg then have to pay your riders for 3 away meetings. Ideally each round would have 3 sets of away fans attending, covering any rise in costs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Ideally each round would have 3 sets of away fans attending, covering any rise in costs! Sadly, this wouldn't happen. How many Kent fans would travel to Somerset, or Scunthorpe fans to Birmingham, on a Wednesday night for such a meeting? Even in the glory days of the 1980's, the southern tracks ran these meetings at a big loss. Nowadays, with far fewer travelling fans -- even at weekends -- the costs, especially for the southern and midland sectors, would be absolutely prohibitive. As sporting contests, such rounds would be entertaining, as business propositions (especially in the south and midlands) totally unviable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 we will never know until we give it another go .... .variety is the spice of life ...just do it for one year and see how it goes ....... speedway , if its broke , TRY to fix it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, jenga said: we will never know until we give it another go .... .variety is the spice of life ...just do it for one year and see how it goes ....... speedway , if its broke , TRY to fix it . But it isn’t broke! The 4s as a one track one day event works. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Our nearest away track is 81 miles to the South (Lions ) and next nearest is 108 miles to the North (Bears). So this season we Scorpions have no local derby and lots of travelling anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 So you have qualifiers, and four teams go through for a one off final on a neutral track ? Would probably attract no more than a few hundred people. The one event qualifiers and Final at least attract supporters from every track in the league and is generally a great day out with close on to thirty races. I used to love the old system with four meetings in four days with the Northern clubs, but it will never return sadly as there are not now enough teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Interesting that some fans are calling for the return of the fours qualifiers on the basis that four meetings in four days would be an attraction, but the BSPA is being widely criticised for organising events either side of the British GP. How many fans can actually afford to go to four meetings in four days? You really think the interest level would be there on the fourth (or even third) leg for supporters of a team well behind from the first couple of legs? Can you imagine the logistical nightmare if one (or even more) of the legs is rained off? It's bad enough trying to get two teams to agree on a re-arranged date, never mind four. Fours qualifiers are best left in the past, when every day was sunny, every meeting was close, every race had passing and life, in general, was just better. Except it wasn't always so. Fours finals day can be a great occasion. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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