IainB Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Silver Cheetah Snr said: If he had stayed on his bike any longer it would have ended up as carnage. 2 bikes and 2 riders in one almighty heap. I don't know if you noticed but it did end up in carnage. If he'd held on to it a bit longer and tried to lay it down it may have been avoided. He decided to just throw his bike at Bellago instead though 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Cheetah Snr Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't know if you noticed but it did end up in carnage. If he'd held on to it a bit longer and tried to lay it down it may have been avoided. He decided to just throw his bike at Bellago instead though You can not lay a bike down which is on one wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 30, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't know if you noticed but it did end up in carnage. If he'd held on to it a bit longer and tried to lay it down it may have been avoided. He decided to just throw his bike at Bellago instead though Not sure how much time you think you have between a moment of losing control and the impact with something, it’s usually a split second and it’s not like you have a warning something is going to happen, you’re in full race mode and then bang, we see it tv in slow motion and think he should of done this or that but when you are the rider in real time you don’t get time to weigh up the options of what would be the best way to crash 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Not sure how much time you think you have between a moment of losing control and the impact with something, it’s usually a split second and it’s not like you have a warning something is going to happen, you’re in full race mode and then bang, we see it tv in slow motion and think he should of done this or that but when you are the rider in real time you don’t get time to weigh up the options of what would be the best way to crash I can appreciate all you say, all I'm saying is I think he was a bit quick in throwing the bike away, it wasn't as if he was near the fence, didn't even try to regain control of the bike, just threw it at the nearest rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, iainb said: I can appreciate all you say, all I'm saying is I think he was a bit quick in throwing the bike away, it wasn't as if he was near the fence, didn't even try to regain control of the bike, just threw it at the nearest rider He doesn’t throw it, the bike has fired itself he has just let go but the bike was going to hit bellego anyway no matter he he was on it or not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 Great to see Robert take a major title- well of course a lot have made fun of the competition in the past. Also good to see that all the hard work has paid off, despite getting a lot of criticism going to Germany at such a young age. I do remember having to defend him somewhat because it wasn't the british way of doing things. And although it isn't for everyone, if you are determined, getting on a 500cc at an early age can pay off. Good on ya 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 hours ago, chris4gillian said: I don't. Robert has made huge strides this season, however he isn't the completely finished article just yet. Yes he's beaten Tai in Polish League racing, but let's see how he goes in next years GP (assuming it's back running normally). Tai will most definitely be challenging when Robert will do fantastically well just finishing in the top 8. However, it's brilliant to have 2 British riders to support in the GP's once again and we now have a realistic chance of winning the SON later this year! Never mind next year I can see Lambert getting a wildcard entry this year 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: Never mind next year I can see Lambert getting a wildcard entry this year If he does, then again a top 8 to 10 finish would be seen as a huge success. Certainly wouldn't be challenging unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: Never mind next year I can see Lambert getting a wildcard entry this year Only for a single GP, or two if they race in both halves of a double header. The permanent wild cards were selected months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 7 hours ago, iris123 said: Great to see Robert take a major title- well of course a lot have made fun of the competition in the past. Also good to see that all the hard work has paid off, despite getting a lot of criticism going to Germany at such a young age. I do remember having to defend him somewhat because it wasn't the british way of doing things. And although it isn't for everyone, if you are determined, getting on a 500cc at an early age can pay off. Good on ya There were only a few criticising him for going to Germany,theres always a few that don't seem to want to see English riders achieve their ambition.Many i think would like to see them be able to ride a 500cc a bit younger over here.It can only help them to achieve greater heights in the sport imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy swindon pete Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 Very much enjoyed that from Lambert last night. Great to see him improve off the starts where it was his only major weakness in previous seasons. This short series has also convinced me of just how much a bang-average rider Madsen is. His bike is somehow so much faster than everyone else’s off the bends and down the straights, yet he still flounders about in most races, dropping points by getting tangled up in battles with other riders. My Nan could score decent points on his bike. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Speedy swindon pete said: Very much enjoyed that from Lambert last night. Great to see him improve off the starts where it was his only major weakness in previous seasons. This short series has also convinced me of just how much a bang-average rider Madsen is. His bike is somehow so much faster than everyone else’s off the bends and down the straights, yet he still flounders about in most races, dropping points by getting tangled up in battles with other riders. My Nan could score decent points on his bike. There a few riders that would like to be as bang- average as Madsen.He explained tonight that his bikes are aggressive and too strong for the slicker tracks.He was also saying that he hasn’t been well over the last few days.Im sure he will sort out his set -up come GP series.Interestingly riders are saying that the Polish tracks seem to be much slicker this season compared to normal. ps Is your Nan being called up to replace Batchelor at Rybnik Edited July 30, 2020 by Fromafar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy swindon pete Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 11:06 PM, Fromafar said: There a few riders that would like to be as bang- average as Madsen.He explained tonight that his bikes are aggressive and too strong for the slicker tracks.He was also saying that he hasn’t been well over the last few days.Im sure he will sort out his set -up come GP series.Interestingly riders are saying that the Polish tracks seem to be much slicker this season compared to normal. ps Is your Nan being called up to replace Batchelor at Rybnik What’s batchelor got to do with it? Its not just Wednesday night Madsen flattered to deceive. I’ve noticed it over the last couple of seasons. Not saying he’s a bad rider at all (although silencer-gate has made me question many results of his since), but if riders like Sayfudinov, Woffinden, Zmazlik etc had that kind of speed in their bikes, where they could generate speed on parts of the track that no other riders in the same race/meeting seem able to, they barely be dropping any points at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Speedy swindon pete said: What’s batchelor got to do with it? Its not just Wednesday night Madsen flattered to deceive. I’ve noticed it over the last couple of seasons. Not saying he’s a bad rider at all (although silencer-gate has made me question many results of his since), but if riders like Sayfudinov, Woffinden, Zmazlik etc had that kind of speed in their bikes, where they could generate speed on parts of the track that no other riders in the same race/meeting seem able to, they barely be dropping any points at all. It’s not Madsen’s fault that he can set up his bike to work on parts of the track that the others can’t.How has he flattered to deceive over the last couple of seasons he was runner- up in the World Championship 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 It’s one thing having power in the bike but it’s got to be useable. The reason he gets his bikes out of corners fast is a skill of getting his wheels in line sooner rather then later. Ove Fundin was good at that. It’s documented he did not always have a fast bike, but he knew how to get the best out of the power he had - wheels in line ASAP is one track craft. Madsen is carrying some bad injuries. His back is not in good shape, delaying an op until he retires as it may make matters worse rather then better. So if he has a weaker meeting occasionally it is understandable. Riders are not machines, they are humans. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Speedy swindon pete said: What’s batchelor got to do with it? Its not just Wednesday night Madsen flattered to deceive. I’ve noticed it over the last couple of seasons. Not saying he’s a bad rider at all (although silencer-gate has made me question many results of his since), but if riders like Sayfudinov, Woffinden, Zmazlik etc had that kind of speed in their bikes, where they could generate speed on parts of the track that no other riders in the same race/meeting seem able to, they barely be dropping any points at all. Nonsense. there has been times Woffindens bikes have looked twice as fast as anybody elses. IMO Madsen is an extremely well set up rider , extremely talented and the best in the world atm. he will be a world champion at least once. Bang average my arse 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 10:36 PM, Speedy swindon pete said: Very much enjoyed that from Lambert last night. Great to see him improve off the starts where it was his only major weakness in previous seasons. This short series has also convinced me of just how much a bang-average rider Madsen is. His bike is somehow so much faster than everyone else’s off the bends and down the straights, yet he still flounders about in most races, dropping points by getting tangled up in battles with other riders. My Nan could score decent points on his bike. Madsen is the best rider in the world at the moment. Fast, skilful and determined. Favourite to be WC which he would have won before but for injury robbing him. Think you need to reassess your opinion. It is not correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 4:25 PM, RobMcCaffery said: Only for a single GP, or two if they race in both halves of a double header. On 7/30/2020 at 4:25 PM, RobMcCaffery said: Only for a single GP, or two if they race in both halves of a double header. The permanent wild cards were selected months ago. . That’s what I meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Speedy swindon pete said: Not saying he’s a bad rider at all (although silencer-gate has made me question many results of his since), but You're not questioning Ed Kennett's results then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: It’s one thing having power in the bike but it’s got to be useable. The reason he gets his bikes out of corners fast is a skill of getting his wheels in line sooner rather then later. Ove Fundin was good at that. It’s documented he did not always have a fast bike, but he knew how to get the best out of the power he had - wheels in line ASAP is one track craft. Madsen is carrying some bad injuries. His back is not in good shape, delaying an op until he retires as it may make matters worse rather then better. So if he has a weaker meeting occasionally it is understandable. Riders are not machines, they are humans. His back injury sounds nasty,not a nice injury to be carrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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