Swindon Robins 2020

[DC2]

5 minutes ago, Grachan said:

The one thing 2020 has, possibly, is more of a winning mentality. Just on rider standard alone, 2007 is stronger for me.

The 2020 side performed better but the league was stronger in 2007.

 

I remember thinking at the start of 2007 it was a dream team but they never seemed to all fire at the same time. Gjedde in particular was poor and dropped to reserve (although he did have some good meetings there away from home) and the Poles seemed to go off the boil to the extent that made Rosco say he would never sign another again.

And while I liked Andy Moore he just couldn’t gate.

[The Weasel]

5 hours ago, DC2 said:

Which team would win, 2007 or 2019?

Considering how the riders performed in those seasons and not on their reputations, I wouldn’t be so sure that the 2007 one would thrash the 2019 one:

You only have to look at the SGB website archive section for your answer, the 2007 side finished with a team average of 47.70 and won all 18 home fixtures in a considerably tougher league, last years team finished with a combined 46.34.

 

5 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

I remember thinking at the start of 2007 it was a dream team but they never seemed to all fire at the same time. Gjedde in particular was poor and dropped to reserve (although he did have some good meetings there away from home) and the Poles seemed to go off the boil to the extent that made Rosco say he would never sign another again.

And while I liked Andy Moore he just couldn’t gate.

We were all disappointed with how the 2007 season finished up but your memory is obviously only fixed on the end of season performance, the team were by and large superb home (hitting 50+ in 16 of the 18 fixtures) and away (8 wins from 18) until late in the season where they lost a handful of away fixtures on the run in and completely fell apart in the away leg of the Grand Final.

As for Mooro it's all relative to ability, he appeared to be unable to gate because of the quality of opposition, if he was riding in the current set up he'd be a trump card at reserve and would more likely be a steady 2nd string.

Edited April 23, 2020 by The Weasel
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[DC2]

4 hours ago, The Weasel said:

You only have to look at the SGB website archive section for your answer, the 2007 side finished with a team average of 47.70 and won all 18 home fixtures in a considerably tougher league, last years team finished with a combined 46.34.

We were all disappointed with how the 2007 season finished up but your memory is obviously only fixed on the end of season performance, the team were by and large superb home (hitting 50+ in 16 of the 18 fixtures) and away (8 wins from 18) until late in the season where they lost a handful of away fixtures on the run in and completely fell apart in the away leg of the Grand Final.

As for Mooro it's all relative to ability, he appeared to be unable to gate because of the quality of opposition, if he was riding in the current set up he'd be a trump card at reserve and would more likely be a steady 2nd string.

 

That’s all well reasoned.

But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year?

I certainly wouldn’t.

[Sidney the robin]

2 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

That’s all well reasoned.

But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year?

I certainly wouldn’t.

Agree.

[Grachan]

17 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

That’s all well reasoned.

But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year? 

I certainly wouldn’t.

 

It's quite interesting when you really look and analyse the two teams that there isn't so much difference in strength considering all the weakening of the league that has gone on since. (Although, of course, we have to remember that the 2007 side were not Champions).

The main difference, when you look at the teams in the league from now and then, is that most teams had a World Class number one then. Apart from that, there isn't too much difference. Swindon, of course, had a World class no 1 in 2019, which made a lot of difference for them.

Comparing the two sides:

Adams v Doyle - I'd say Adams was the better rider, but Doyle has the winning mentality. I'd go for Leigh though at league level.

Chrzanowski v Ellis - Ellis, and he's still improving

Gjedde v Musielak - pretty even. On top form I'd go for Musielak

Ulamek v Jensen - Jensen due to his passing ability

Richardson v Batchelor - Richardson

Korneliusen v Vissing - Kornieliesen. And this is a big, key difference I think.

Moore v Perks - Moore.

So, I make it 4-3 to 2007, which is pretty close.

Adams v Doyle you could go even, as both could beat everyone else in the league.

So not such a difference. I'd still go for 2007, though, based on reserve strength. Having Korneliusen/Chrzanowski at reserve would make a major difference in the weaker races.

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Grachan

[DC2]

I think that’s a fair assessment, Grachan.

Lots of fans say the league has been weakened every year so you’d imagine our 2019 team to be like an NL side compared to the 2007 one, but it isn’t anything like that weak.

The only “weakening” has been the loss of a handful of GP standard number 1s and some reserves promoted prematurely from the lower leagues.

[Grachan]

Just now, DC2 said:

I think that’s a fair assessment, Grachan.

Lots of fans say the league has been weakened every year so you’d imagine our 2019 team to be like an NL side compared to the 2007 one, but it isn’t anything like that weak.

The only “weakening” has been the loss of a handful of GP standard number 1s and some reserves promoted prematurely from the lower leagues.

As you say, stronger numbers ones then, and a bit more solid at reserve. The middle orders are pretty much the same.

[EnglishRoundabout]

I remember the Adver headlines pre season 2007, something like “ Roscos’s dream team”, referring to the line up he had put together for the coming season. 

The failure to win any trophies that year was very disappointing and I recall Leigh Adams being particularly disappointed with the Performance of the team in the second leg of the play off final at Coventry. The team simply buckled under the pressure of a fired up Coventry side that night. 

Personally I think both the 2007 team and the 2019 team were pretty evenly matched, and I’d agree that the teams in 2007 were much stronger,  I’d take the 2019 to win a match between the two sides, if anything because the 2019 team appeared to be much tougher mentally. 

[The Weasel]

7 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

That’s all well reasoned.

But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year?

I certainly wouldn’t.

It's always difficult comparing riders from different eras due to variables and bias but I think I'd lean towards the riders from 2007 in those particular match ups and as a whole the 2007 side (despite how dominate the 2019 team was) wins hands down for me largely down to the 2 reserves and relative strength of opposition sides.

TC 6.12 v AE 6.49 (final season averages). Both spent the majority of the season riding in the #2 position and finished with similar averages, whilst I have no doubt Ellis will go on to be the better rider and he would be my pick purely on his youth and potential, there really was little between them in their contributions for the seasons in question.

CG 7.13 v RJ 7.86. Another difficult choice, both exciting to watch and strong middle order riders, Gjedde had a month at reserve mid season and i think probably rode in every position bar #1 at some stage but he'd be my pick simply based on his extra experience and the fact he'd been an established top flight rider for a number of seasons over RJ who has only had half a season at this stage.

SU 7.11 v TM 6.21. Controversial here I'm sure, Tobi is a crowd favourite, hugely entertaining to watch and we all love him, I'd certainly want him in my team every season on such an average, but if it came to a straight choice between the 2 at this particular stage of their careers it'd be Seba for me all day long, he represented his country the previous year (no mean feat), filled the #3 position when your 2nd best rider had too (his main adversaries that year would have been Kasprzak, Pedersen B, Screen, Schlein/Harris, Bjerre/NKI, Zagar, Louis, Norris, Hamill and Pepe) and upped his average to 9.31 early on after a blistering start to the campaign before tailing off slightly after a falling out with riding partner Gjedde and a wrist injury sustained at Ipswich in the mid summer.

[DC2]

31 minutes ago, The Weasel said:

It's always difficult comparing riders from different eras due to variables and bias but I think I'd lean towards the riders from 2007 in those particular match ups and as a whole the 2007 side (despite how dominate the 2019 team was) wins hands down for me largely down to the 2 reserves and relative strength of opposition sides.

TC 6.12 v AE 6.49 (final season averages). Both spent the majority of the season riding in the #2 position and finished with similar averages, whilst I have no doubt Ellis will go on to be the better rider and he would be my pick purely on his youth and potential, there really was little between them in their contributions for the seasons in question.

CG 7.13 v RJ 7.86. Another difficult choice, both exciting to watch and strong middle order riders, Gjedde had a month at reserve mid season and i think probably rode in every position bar #1 at some stage but he'd be my pick simply based on his extra experience and the fact he'd been an established top flight rider for a number of seasons over RJ who has only had half a season at this stage.

SU 7.11 v TM 6.21. Controversial here I'm sure, Tobi is a crowd favourite, hugely entertaining to watch and we all love him, I'd certainly want him in my team every season on such an average, but if it came to a straight choice between the 2 at this particular stage of their careers it'd be Seba for me all day long, he represented his country the previous year (no mean feat), filled the #3 position when your 2nd best rider had too (his main adversaries that year would have been Kasprzak, Pedersen B, Screen, Schlein/Harris, Bjerre/NKI, Zagar, Louis, Norris, Hamill and Pepe) and upped his average to 9.31 early on after a blistering start to the campaign before tailing off slightly after a falling out with riding partner Gjedde and a wrist injury sustained at Ipswich in the mid summer.

 

For me, all 2007 riders were on their way down while the 2019 ones are on their way up.  Did any of the three get a team place in 2008 (or do well if they did)? Yes, Gjedde only at Belle Vue. Pretty much the end of his career though.

Easy choice.

Edited April 23, 2020 by DC2

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

Christ, still running with it. 

 

[Anzum]

2012 grand final on you tube at 18:30 today and second leg tomorrow, in case any of you haven’t checked the robins website recently.

[DC2]

Hoping Poole can run us close this time.  

 

[EnglishRoundabout]

Who?

[SteveLyric2]

So with the Polish Extraliga agreeing to start racing in June behind closed doors and riders having to commit to staying in Poland - what will the likes of Doyley (Pedersen, Kurtz etc) do if British Speedway is allowed to start in say July/August/September?

I mention Doyley in particular cos he lives in the UK.

[The Weasel]

38 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

So with the Polish Extraliga agreeing to start racing in June behind closed doors and riders having to commit to staying in Poland - what will the likes of Doyley (Pedersen, Kurtz etc) do if British Speedway is allowed to start in say July/August/September?

I mention Doyley in particular cos he lives in the UK.

First things first, he'll be tuning in to the Robins Youtube channel tonight at 18:30 to enjoy the 2012 Elite Lge Championship all over again. 

[Crabba59]

1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:

So with the Polish Extraliga agreeing to start racing in June behind closed doors and riders having to commit to staying in Poland - what will the likes of Doyley (Pedersen, Kurtz etc) do if British Speedway is allowed to start in say July/August/September?

I mention Doyley in particular cos he lives in the UK.

Also the poles have said if you ride there you have to base your self there. So that means you will have to pick which country you ride. 

[craigACE]

Swindon look the strongest to me. After them anything can happen. Robins have the main man.

[hyderd]

21 hours ago, Crabba59 said:

Also the poles have said if you ride there you have to base your self there. So that means you will have to pick which country you ride. 

baffles me how the Poles can get away with this, surely if a person is self employed to work for someone/company/team on a set day of the week, then said person has the right to work for someone/company/team on the days outside of the contract with them. 

[SteveLyric2]

21 hours ago, Crabba59 said:

Also the poles have said if you ride there you have to base your self there. So that means you will have to pick which country you ride. 

Thats why I asked the question!!!