TotallyHonestJohn Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, HGould said: if it was/is 41 why would you reduce for extra teams. All that does is make second strings redundant and forces too many 2 pointers in to reserve. Best to increase limit to 44 or 45 allows all the available heat leaders and second strings to be included and add a rule each side has to run a 2 point reserve at 7. That's fairer. Honestly Because there aren't enough riders to go round so the limit needs to be low, otherwise you end up with teams like Newcastle had in the 70's with a team average of something around 55, it just means the wealthy clubs have 4 or 5 heat leaders to the detriment of everyone else; but this is Speedway the where self interest rules... there just isn't the pool of riders to use for the amount of teams we have... 14 teams require 98 riders there are about 60 regular Championship Riders 24 to 30 double uppers and about 10 to 12 two pointers trying to make the jump from the NDL... the supply of riders is barely covering the demand (or need) That's the dilemma the BSPA have that there are not enough (good) riders (or rider's of a competent standard) to go round... This ups the rate for the riders as they (the riders) play one club off against another to maximise their earnings... this impacts the clubs because their isn't the money in the sport as there once was meaning they lose money... the riders hold the power and they need to realise the clubs need to survive to allow them to ride... Its a vicious circle that can only be squared currently by finding more riders at the prescribed standard for an affordable rate that meets a team budget or having less teams... or the teams have (Polish type) cash to spend on bringing in foreigners to the detriment of the Polish Leagues; which won'y happen anytime soon... or if you want to up the points limit reduce the number of teams in each league to around 8 per league and stop or severely restrict doubling up (with a possibility for 1 team up; one down; promotion; relegation, then you can up the build limit)... If Workington hadn't folded at the start of the season it would have left Newcastle in the lurch when Nike Lunna decided he wasn't fit enough to start the season and wanted a year out... The need is to focus on the whole rather than the individual Regards THJ Edited October 31, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: 35 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: The need is to focus on the whole rather than the individual Didn't Mr Spock say this? Ok beam me up now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, MANSE said: Wrong the reason he came to us was Claus told him you get paid every week at Glasgow another point did the people who purchased season tickets for Workington last season ever get their money back my , my . are you starting to show concern over workingtons demise or are you just poo stirring with that large ego spoon ? genuine question .... to the best of my knowledge , i am not to,too,two sure .(double edged sword answer ) ask someone who bought a season ticket . maybe the witches did , they were up there all the time . even THJ .. ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, jenga said: my , my . are you starting to show concern over workingtons demise or are you just poo stirring with that large ego spoon ? genuine question .... to the best of my knowledge , i am not to,too,two sure .(double edged sword answer ) ask someone who bought a season ticket . maybe the witches did , they were up there all the time . even THJ .. ! Genuine question think its sad they took peoples money and never returned it. I suppose it was used to pay some of previous years debts which is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 hours ago, MANSE said: Genuine question think its sad they took peoples money and never returned it. I suppose it was used to pay some of previous years debts which is wrong thats pretty much how business works all over the world . robbing Peter to pay Paul as they say . surprised you did not know that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, jenga said: thats pretty much how business works all over the world . robbing Peter to pay Paul as they say . surprised you did not know that ! Well it's certainly not the way I run my business !! Have you ever had a business ? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 yes ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 10:41 PM, Paulco said: 41 is the rumour The total of all 11 current BCL teams is 453.38 which is an average of 41.30 which should be 2020s team points limit irrespective of who the 2020 league will comprise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: The total of all 11 current BCL teams is 453.38 which is an average of 41.30 which should be 2020s team points limit irrespective of who the 2020 league will comprise. That’s irrelevant and entirely a result of team selections through the season. All teams started out with a limit of 38 and after the first matches the combined average was a bit lower than 42 (due to some races finishing with two riders). Subjective team changes were then made during the season due to loss of form and injuries, generally with lower averaged replacements coming in, so the combined average went another bit lower than 42. And so we ended up with 41.3. That will happen practically every season but it doesn’t change the facts that 42 is the objective limit and an above figure can bring in more higher averaged riders (from the PL or abroad) and a below figure can move higher averaged riders around, exclude some of them and reduce costs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, DC2 said: That’s irrelevant and entirely a result of team selections through the season. All teams started out with a limit of 38 and after the first matches the combined average was a bit lower than 42 (due to some races finishing with two riders). Subjective team changes were then made during the season due to loss of form and injuries, generally with lower averaged replacements coming in, so the combined average went another bit lower than 42. And so we ended up with 41.3. That will happen practically every season but it doesn’t change the facts that 42 is the objective limit and an above figure can bring in more higher averaged riders (from the PL or abroad) and a below figure can move higher averaged riders around, exclude some of them and reduce costs. Am pleased somebody else said all that first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 11 hours ago, jenga said: yes ! What was it, & did you rip your customers off to pay your debts ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 hours ago, DC2 said: and a below figure can move higher averaged riders around, exclude some of them and reduce costs. Dead right! If you want your speedway to continue at your local track, year on year, set the limit lower, keep the promotion's losses down and let the sport be there for you and your friends. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, proud panther said: What was it, & did you rip your customers off to pay your debts ? i will tell you as long as you tell me and others on here just what line of business you are/were inn . is that a deal ? if i dont reply , i will close down this forum account , never to darken your forum again ....DEAL OR NO DEAL , you choose .. you disclose what business you were/are in first .... Edited November 1, 2019 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, jenga said: i will tell you as long as you tell me and others on here just what line of business you are/were inn . is that a deal ? if i dont reply , i will close down this forum account , never to darken your forum again ....DEAL OR NO DEAL , you choose .. you disclose what business you were/are in first .... You couldn’t run a bath so stop talking out of your arse. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pinny said: You couldn’t run a bath so stop talking out of your arse. the reason why i cant run a bath is because i have a shower . then again , you will know all about showers wont you . you being one ...... look buddy i have no gripes with you . so please stop insulting me . please ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 8:47 AM, MANSE said: Wrong the reason he came to us was Claus told him you get paid every week at Glasgow another point did the people who purchased season tickets for Workington last season ever get their money back That would be a no from chatting to my friend who bought one.i bought a book of tickets before the start of the season.didnt even get the decency of a reply from the comets promotion which peed me off more than the fact there was a chance I'd not get my money back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) On 10/31/2019 at 8:47 AM, MANSE said: Wrong the reason he came to us was Claus told him you get paid every week at Glasgow another point did the people who purchased season tickets for Workington last season ever get their money back That' is TOTALLY not true either but we wont open that running sore as it has been well and truly done to death on here in the past ... and isn't honest or helpful really as there are still a great many people hurting from the loss of their club... But when you are arguing with an idiot I suppose posting an idiotic response is the go to reaction to try and put over your cause or case however misguided it may be; especially for the good folk on here who may not be fully aware of the truth... Some may even believe you but two wrongs don't make a right... Don't' rise to the bait as all he is doing is "choking the chicken" at the though he is "boiling your pish"... On a genuine point with regard to your last question; the way things collapsed at the start of the season I don't think anyone got anything back (or look likely to if I am totally honest) although there was a promise from the promotion that once the financial mess was sorted there would be a concerted effort to get the fans sorted out too... again all I would say on that is don't hold your breath... Regards THJ Edited November 1, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 i myself personally dont mind the promotion keeping any funds they may or may not owe me . i am just glad the we @ workington seen a season never to forget . Laura deserves all the help she can get to help her overcome this situation . some folk are craving for any funds owing . maybe in time they will be refunded . but i fail to see what this has got to do with any OTHER TEAMS fans . . maybe when the boot is on the other foot they will reflect just how awful they have acted on here ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, jenga said: i myself personally dont mind the promotion keeping any funds they may or may not owe me . i am just glad the we @ workington seen a season never to forget . Laura deserves all the help she can get to help her overcome this situation . some folk are craving for any funds owing . maybe in time they will be refunded . but i fail to see what this has got to do with any OTHER TEAMS fans . . maybe when the boot is on the other foot they will reflect just how awful they have acted on here ... Pot , Kettle and black spring to mind. Wasn't that long ago 90% of Workington fans regularly put the boot into a championship club on here and occasionally still do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gazc said: Pot , Kettle and black spring to mind. Wasn't that long ago 90% of Workington fans regularly put the boot into a championship club on here and occasionally still do. wot club was that then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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