poole keith Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 why are we having a thread discussing what the points limit will be when pooles skidder has told everybody poole know what the points limit is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, poole keith said: why are we having a thread discussing what the points limit will be when pooles skidder has told everybody poole know what the points limit is You could probably sign six riders up to 36, just in case the limit is 38, and then have a 2 to 6 point final rider to finish when the limit is agreed. Or do a Redcar and sign three heatleaders to 24 and then fill in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, DC2 said: You could probably sign six riders up to 36, just in case the limit is 38, and then have a 2 to 6 point final rider to finish when the limit is agreed. Or do a Redcar and sign three heatleaders to 24 and then fill in. or do a Glasgow and sign two fantastic heat leaders and then fill in the blanks with poor second strings and two , two pointers .! standing by Edited October 30, 2019 by jenga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, jenga said: or do a Glasgow and sign two fantastic heat leaders and then fill in the blanks with poor second strings and two , two pointers .! standing by Cook and Jensen are 19.23 and I’d have them regardless of the limit. 38 would leave 18.77 and 42, 22.77 for five riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, poole keith said: why are we having a thread discussing what the points limit will be when pooles skidder has told everybody poole know what the points limit is ...because the club promoters know what was proposed/agreed at the pre-agms but the fans including myself don't! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) On 10/30/2019 at 5:03 PM, IronScorpion said: Don't most of the promoters go to the monthly/ pre AGM meetings so all present would know something about next year? Did you post on another thread that it could only be British riders that have ridden in the NDL in these last 3 years would get the new 5% reduction? I would give all British riders a 2.5% reduction & to promote loyalty, any rider that finished in the final team declaration a reduction if they sign for the same team. Yep and I personally would give all Brits a reduction to make them a more attractive proposition over foreign riders but let's face it this is the BSPA we are talking about here and if it's not convoluted and complicated it usually won't go in... so the qualifying parameters will be what they will be... however my preference would be to give a 2.5% 5% or 10% reduction to all Brits without some Mickey Mouse rule that has to be complied to just to qualify... So my preference would be give it to everyone or no one just no qualifications... But being a nobody whose opinion doesn't count for crepe what will be will be... Regards THJ Edited January 23, 2020 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 the rise in the points limit was bound to happen because of the weakening of the league. in 2022 it will be reduced again . i think thats how it works . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, jenga said: or do a Glasgow and sign two fantastic heat leaders and then fill in the blanks with poor second strings and two , two pointers .! standing by We only signed one fantastic heat leader the other one became fantastic 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, MANSE said: We only signed one fantastic heat leader the other one became fantastic i think you will find he was fantastic the previous season . hence thats why you wanted him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, jenga said: i think you will find he was fantastic the previous season . hence thats why you wanted him . We wanted him as he was on a sub 7 average and knew he would add to it. That's how it is meant to work is it not. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 starting to run out of bait now , see you when i get a new batch in .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, jenga said: starting to run out of bait now , see you when i get a new batch in .. Aye your hilarious or so you think , we just think your a bit of a t*t.. Edited October 31, 2019 by Gazc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, DC2 said: King and Howarth double up already and three of the first four named have PL averages that may preclude them from the CL. Huckenbeck, for example, would be 8.85 and Nilsson 11.41. Do you really see Aspgren and the last two as heatleaders? That leaves Rene Bach! As a result of Sheffield going PL, does that not mean they will now be available to other CL sides in 2020? Were Wolbert & Aspgren's last seasons in the UK not at second tier level, which would be used as for their GSA. If you had followed Aspgren's form overseas & in the SGP qualifiers this Season, it suggests he would be potential CL heat material now. Likewise both Lyager & Jepessen have improved considerably their overseas results Huckenbeck & Nilsson would still be eligible for the CL , as was the likes of Craig Cook (10.19), Edward Kennett (9.35) & Sam Masters(10.79) in 2019, despite their initial high starting averages. Oh and David Bellego on a PL GSA of 5.80 is another potential CL heat leader signing btw. Edited October 31, 2019 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 41.00 . Had to be reduced with two extra teams. Edited October 31, 2019 by Pinny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Wasnt the average limits, and the conversion rates from CL to PL set for the next few years to gradually open the gap between the 2. Or was it just the conversion rate that was set in stone? Also wasnt a rule introduced that for riders doubling up the higher league average was going to be used and the conversion rate applied to the lower league? Having moved recently I dont have to hand my print out of the AGM press release on the subject atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Pinny said: 41.00 . Had to be reduced with two extra teams. if it was/is 41 why would you reduce for extra teams. All that does is make second strings redundant and forces too many 2 pointers in to reserve. Best to increase limit to 44 or 45 allows all the available heat leaders and second strings to be included and add a rule each side has to run a 2 point reserve at 7. That's fairer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 hours ago, jenga said: i think you will find he was fantastic the previous season . hence thats why you wanted him . Wrong the reason he came to us was Claus told him you get paid every week at Glasgow another point did the people who purchased season tickets for Workington last season ever get their money back 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, HGould said: if it was/is 41 why would you reduce for extra teams. All that does is make second strings redundant and forces too many 2 pointers in to reserve. Best to increase limit to 44 or 45 allows all the available heat leaders and second strings to be included and add a rule each side has to run a 2 point reserve at 7. That's fairer. It looks like there will be two extra teams compared to this year, so, assuming all of the existing teams stay the same and Poole take on Sheffield’s team (only 39.61 incidentally), could you please state the riders in the two new teams to a limit of 44? Here’s this year’s averages to help. http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/files/downloads/c19_issue_34.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, cyclone said: As a result of Sheffield going PL, does that not mean they will now be available to other CL sides in 2020? Were Wolbert & Aspgren's last seasons in the UK not at second tier level, which would be used as for their GSA. If you had followed Aspgren's form overseas & in the SGP qualifiers this Season, it suggests he would be potential CL heat material now. Likewise both Lyager & Jepessen have improved considerably their overseas results Huckenbeck & Nilsson would still be eligible for the CL , as was the likes of Craig Cook (10.19), Edward Kennett (9.35) & Sam Masters(10.79) in 2019, despite their initial high starting averages. Oh and David Bellego on a PL GSA of 5.80 is another potential CL heat leader signing btw. Poole will replace Sheffield so I assumed for the purposes of the question that they would take Sheffield’s riders so we’d need 14 riders for the extra two teams (Kent & Plymouth). I accept what you say, that Wolbert, Aspgren, Jepessen, Huckenbeck and Bellego, together with Busk Jacobsen are possible heatleaders for those teams. Whether or not they are affordable for the CL and would ride in it rather than the more lucrative Polish lower divisions is another matter. It will probably be necessary to have a limit no higher than 40 to ensure that the 22 current riders over 7.5 are more evenly shared around among the 13 clubs. Somerset have four of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, DC2 said: It will probably be necessary to have a limit no higher than 40 to ensure that the 22 current riders over 7.5 are more evenly shared around among the 13 clubs. Somerset have four of them! Make that three, Harris has signed for Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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