gp challenge 2020

[Triple.H.]

1 hour ago, r8gdp said:

Does anyone else think locktaev fell off a little too easily ? It's a big step to take moving into the gp series 

Why would he take a dive and risk damaging his bike or even worst injuring himself, Surely if he didn't want to qualify he would just pull an Elkins out of the hat.

[Fromafar]

Fricke is struggling this season.

[Grachan]

7 hours ago, Triple.H. said:

Why would a rider settle for a second place when they can get the win ?, A pity for Adam Ellis but just a racing incident, Just hope he's OK

Because 2nd place would have been enough to make KK the winner of the meeting.

It used to happen in one-off World finals. Many riders (eg Mauger, Collins, Penhall) settled for a second in their final ride to ensure winning the meeting and not take any unneccesary risk.

Even a third would have guaranteed a GP place. Instead he found himself excluded and at risk of not qualifying.

That's why he could have settled for second. 

 

[Bagpuss]

He could have settled for second but (when he can be bothered) KK is a speedway racer and their instinct is to try and come first. We chastise enough riders for not trying to race or being gating tarts, it was just one of those things that happens in speedway unfortunately. Get well soon Adam. 

[screm]

Looking at reports on social media it seems that Adam Ellis has fractued three vertebrae after his accident last night.

[jrs]

10 hours ago, Jonny the spud said:

Lower back pain. I’m waiting on news

Best wishes to Adam and a speedy recovery Jonny. 

[Triple.H.]

3 hours ago, Grachan said:

Because 2nd place would have been enough to make KK the winner of the meeting.

It used to happen in one-off World finals. Many riders (eg Mauger, Collins, Penhall) settled for a second in their final ride to ensure winning the meeting and not take any unneccesary risk.

Even a third would have guaranteed a GP place. Instead he found himself excluded and at risk of not qualifying.

That's why he could have settled for second. 

 

I agree with all that but as Bagpuss said in the post below yours the'yre racers they want to win. The difference between a World Final and a GP qualifier, is you're not going to do anything daft in a race to try and win, risking a fall etc when you know you've only got to pick up a point to be Champion.

[Fromafar]

12 hours ago, Triple.H. said:

Why would a rider settle for a second place when they can get the win ?, A pity for Adam Ellis but just a racing incident, Just hope he's OK

I agree, just a racing incident Adam pulled a bit of a locker which caught out KK.IMO

It was not anything desperate from KK.

[BluPanther]

 

[False dawn]

15 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

Fully expect Zagar to finish in a qualifying spot in the actual series giving it to next in line.

But as I said earlier, that is not quite the case now that the FIM have changed the rules. Up until this year, position 4 last night could hang on to the hope that Matej Zagar qualifies for next year by finishing high enough in this year's GP series. Now the FIM have closed that door by saying if a top 3 finisher from the GP Challenge qualifies some other way (Challenge or SEC), then they will award an additional wildcard.
I think this is so unfair. To give existing GP riders a free shot at qualification for the following year (especially via the challenge) and to effectively exclude another rider, makes a mockery of the qualification system. In the extreme, we could imagine three existing GP riders finishing in the top three of the Challenge and thus making the Challenge completely meaningless.

[OveFundinFan]

3 from the Challenge yet 1 from SEC. Seems a bit odd. Should have made it 1 and 1.

[Mr Blobby]

3 hours ago, False dawn said:

But as I said earlier, that is not quite the case now that the FIM have changed the rules. Up until this year, position 4 last night could hang on to the hope that Matej Zagar qualifies for next year by finishing high enough in this year's GP series. Now the FIM have closed that door by saying if a top 3 finisher from the GP Challenge qualifies some other way (Challenge or SEC), then they will award an additional wildcard.
I think this is so unfair. To give existing GP riders a free shot at qualification for the following year (especially via the challenge) and to effectively exclude another rider, makes a mockery of the qualification system. In the extreme, we could imagine three existing GP riders finishing in the top three of the Challenge and thus making the Challenge completely meaningless.

Completely forgot they changed it.

[racers and royals]

8 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Completely forgot they changed it.

Sorry but that just isn`t true- yes for the SEC qualification place but not for the Challenge- that still goes to further places.

The total SGP points scored by each Rider having taken part in the FIM SGP World Championship Series during the season shall be shown on the Final Overall SGP Classification of that year. The current year’s Final Overall SGP Classification after removing any Rider having finished in the top 6, but having withdrawn from the SGP for the following year before the following year’s line-up has been published shall determine the Rider’s qualifications for next year’s SGP Championship as follows: • The top 6 Riders of the Final Overall SGP Classification (including any qualified Nominated Substitute Rider) will be directly qualified for the following year’s SGP Series. • The top 3 Riders from the FIM SGP World Championship Qualification Meetings (Art. 71a) will be directly qualified for the following year’s SGP Series. Should a Rider who has qualified from these Qualification Meetings also be in the top 6 of the Final Overall SGP Classification of that year, and then the next available Rider from the FIM SGP World Championship Qualification Meetings will be selected. FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship 28 • The winner of the 2020 FIME Speedway European Championship will be directly qualified for the following years SGP Series. • Should a Rider who has qualified from the FIME Speedway European Championship also be in the top 6 of the Final Overall SGP Classification of that year, or the top 3 Riders from the FIM SGP World Championship Qualification Meetings (Art. 71a) then an extra additional rider will be nominated by the SGP Commission. • 5 Additional Riders will be nominated by the SGP Commission. • 1 Wild Card Rider per event decided in accordance with Art. 3.5. • Should a Rider withdraw after the publication of the Official RiderLineup for the following year’s SGP season, then the first Rider available on the official SGP Nominated Substitute List shall replace him. • 6 Riders will be nominated by the SGP Commission for the official SGP Nominated Substitute List.

[False dawn]

I stand corrected. And I'm pleased to be wrong (I hope the Missus ain't reading this).
Seriously I am. I thought I'd read otherwise some months ago. Did they change the rules again since?

So, did Vaclav Milik, by running wide in the final turn of heat 19 last night, not only lose a chance of a run off for a top 3 place (or even a top 1 place) but also 4th place? By my figuring he finished 5th behind Aleksandr Loktajev on race wins. An extremely expensive mistake (possibly).

[racers and royals]

8 minutes ago, False dawn said:

I stand corrected. And I'm pleased to be wrong (I hope the Missus ain't reading this).
Seriously I am. I thought I'd read otherwise some months ago. Did they change the rules again since?

So, did Vaclav Milik, by running wide in the final turn of heat 19 last night, not only lose a chance of a run off for a top 3 place (or even a top 1 place) but also 4th place? By my figuring he finished 5th behind Aleksandr Loktajev on race wins. An extremely expensive mistake (possibly).

No rules haven`t changed it was probably when i made the point more than once that if Madsen finished ahead of Lambert in the SEC and finished in the GP top 6 Lambert wouldn`t get the SEC spot.

[False dawn]

1 minute ago, racers and royals said:

No rules haven`t changed it was probably when i made the point more than once that if Madsen finished ahead of Lambert in the SEC and finished in the GP top 6 Lambert wouldn`t get the SEC spot.

Strange isn't it? You race a multi round, prestigeous competition and come second and you're not automatically "promoted" if the winner qualifies for the GPs some other way. But if you finish 4th in a one off meeting with a relatively poor line up, you do.

No offence R&R. You're not responsible for the FIM. 

[psycho3a]

Nooo Not KK again.... isnt this the same guy that went about 4 gp's without even picking up a point.... 

Years ago was a good rider but always temperamental  and very inconsistent.

I was worried before the meeting this was a poor challenge and now confirmed as none of the qualifiers will finish in next years top 10

[arnieg]

51 minutes ago, psycho3a said:

I was worried before the meeting this was a poor challenge and now confirmed as none of the qualifiers will finish in next years top 10

An odd statement given that only one rider has finished in the top ten EVERY year for the last eight years:

Matej Zagar.

[psycho3a]

54 minutes ago, arnieg said:

An odd statement given that only one rider has finished in the top ten EVERY year for the last eight years:

Matej Zagar.

YEAR	POSITION	NO. GPS	GP WINS	NO. HEATS	HEAT WINS	GP FINALS	POINTS	GP AV.
2019	9	10	0	57	12	2	78	7.80
2018	10	9	0	50	16	1	79	8.78
2017	7	12	2	72	18	4	107	8.92
2016	9	11	0	63	19	3	90	8.18
2015	6	12	2	66	16	3	107	8.92
2014	5	12	1	69	18	3	114	9.50
2013	7	12	0	72	19	4	110	9.17
2011	19	2	0	11	2	0	14	7.00
2009	19	1	0	5	1	0	7	7.00
2008	20	1	0	5	1	0	7	7.00
2007	14	11	0	53	6	0	54	4.91
2006	7	10	0	59	12	2	97	9.70
2005	16	2	0	12	2	1	23	11.50
2004	27	1	0	6	1	0	8	8.00
2003	30	1	0	4	2	0	5	5.00
Totals		107	5	604	145	23	900	8.41

He may have finished in top 10 but for the last 3 out of 4 years has had to rely on the challenge or wild card to retain his place..

I just think this year he will continue his decline in GP's, personal opinion obviously 

[Fromafar]

6 hours ago, psycho3a said:

YEAR	POSITION	NO. GPS	GP WINS	NO. HEATS	HEAT WINS	GP FINALS	POINTS	GP AV.
2019	9	10	0	57	12	2	78	7.80
2018	10	9	0	50	16	1	79	8.78
2017	7	12	2	72	18	4	107	8.92
2016	9	11	0	63	19	3	90	8.18
2015	6	12	2	66	16	3	107	8.92
2014	5	12	1	69	18	3	114	9.50
2013	7	12	0	72	19	4	110	9.17
2011	19	2	0	11	2	0	14	7.00
2009	19	1	0	5	1	0	7	7.00
2008	20	1	0	5	1	0	7	7.00
2007	14	11	0	53	6	0	54	4.91
2006	7	10	0	59	12	2	97	9.70
2005	16	2	0	12	2	1	23	11.50
2004	27	1	0	6	1	0	8	8.00
2003	30	1	0	4	2	0	5	5.00
Totals		107	5	604	145	23	900	8.41

He may have finished in top 10 but for the last 3 out of 4 years has had to rely on the challenge or wild card to retain his place..

I just think this year he will continue his decline in GP's, personal opinion obviously 

Not many riders have come the qualifiers as often as him,it’s a difficult route normally ,proving he is still a top 16 Rider.Andy Smith was pretty good at sneaking in if I remember correctly.