phillipsr Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: How many British Finals has Howarth made against Auty ? don't forget Auty missed a couple? through injury. Oh god this again!!! 30 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Birmingham the Year they kept the same side were terrific they should of been champions Auty did well that year or was he rubbish? Wells when i saw him in 2019 was atrocious slow god slow how anyone on any average now would consider him good luck. Wasnt that about 8 years ago? So Auty had one good top flight season 8 years ago so were ignoring all the time hes been awful in the top flight since.. theres a reason no one ever considers Auty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Oh god this again!!! Wasnt that about 8 years ago? So Auty had one good top flight season 8 years ago so were ignoring all the time hes been awful in the top flight since.. theres a reason no one ever considers Auty I knew you would pipe up being being a mega laugh you make me laugh you are a P?.....!!You tell me on British Final's appearances Auty,Howarth, who qualified on merit on every appearance is that simple anough for you are you capable ??? probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Really , Wells is a rider who was decent at the homer Wolves venue but NOW he Is not a prem rider.My take was did i think Auty and certainly Vissing NOW a better bet than Wells/T.Kurtz./ Berge.Berge is talented bloody frustrating and he will be fine at Owlerton but away Berge/Kurtz or maybe Wells won't scare to many. I grant you this year alone Wells was ridiculously awful and only just managed over a 7 point average for Edinburgh whilst Auty was higher on 7.61. So it’s a fair assumption that Auty has had a better season in 2019. However Wells has been a true number one at that level prior to this season and a dependable second string at top flight level. Auty has been on paper a poor number one at championship level with an average around 7ish, occasionally 8. As for next season I’d struggle to see any team taking a chance on Wells in the top flight unless the points limit dictates what they have available spare so I see the argument on what riders may be better option. Wells may hit back next season with a solid 2nd tier campaign and I’d expect him to average more than Auty if he did. Auty is what he is, a decent CL rider but a proven failure at top flight level. 1 hour ago, theblueboy said: Sid, I do remember you once telling me and everybody on this forum that Auty was a better rider than Howarth! Wells, has no doubt gone backwards but, in general, he used to be competitive as a Premiership second string and at Swindon would pop out and win the odd race. The same cannot be said of Auty. I’m not sure why you are always in Auty’s corner. Wells has slipped, most definitely, however, he still turned in a match winning performance from reserve against Swindon at Awalton not so long back. Auty has never, ever done anything like that at Premiership level. I’d even have Stevie Wonder at reserve instead of Auty. Ironically Auty had a better CL season than Howarth this season! Howarth has been ahead for a while prior to that tho. But let’s not start over that debate again tho eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Does the 2.5% reduction apply to a 3.00 assessed rider in effect making him a 2.92 for team building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Andrew said: Does the 2.5% reduction apply to a 3.00 assessed rider in effect making him a 2.92 for team building? That’s anyone’s guess. Last year riders with an average below 3 couldn’t ride in the top flight. Id imagine a 3 point average wouldn’t get a reduction if that stays the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 58 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: How many British Finals has Howarth made against Auty ? don't forget Auty missed a couple? through injury. Both have made 5 appearances each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, stevebrum said: I grant you this year alone Wells was ridiculously awful and only just managed over a 7 point average for Edinburgh whilst Auty was higher on 7.61. So it’s a fair assumption that Auty has had a better season in 2019. However Wells has been a true number one at that level prior to this season and a dependable second string at top flight level. Auty has been on paper a poor number one at championship level with an average around 7ish, occasionally 8. As for next season I’d struggle to see any team taking a chance on Wells in the top flight unless the points limit dictates what they have available spare so I see the argument on what riders may be better option. Wells may hit back next season with a solid 2nd tier campaign and I’d expect him to average more than Auty if he did. Auty is what he is, a decent CL rider but a proven failure at top flight level. Ironically Auty had a better CL season than Howarth this season! Howarth has been ahead for a while prior to that tho. But let’s not start over that debate again tho eh? British Finals do your research Steve let me know ? Howarth has been ahead because he has been given chances certainly at monmore a real homer track more so than any other track in the country.Also in any Championship year Howarth has never been a number 1 averaging 8.80 / 9.00 a true number one Auty has at least give him credit for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, double_O said: Both have made 5 appearances each Auty was injured for at least one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, Sidney the robin said: Auty was injured for at least one. Sid, you’re getting a bit Autystic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: British Finals do your research Steve let me know ? Howarth has been ahead because he has been given chances certainly at monmore a real homer track more so than any other track in the country.Also in any Championship year Howarth has never been a number 1 averaging 8.80 / 9.00 a true number one Auty has at least give him credit for that. What has British Finals got to do anything? You would have to be poor to not qualify for one these days. Auty is older isn’t he so has more chance to qualify for more or gain a better average? Auty hasn’t been that standard of a number one in years, not taking anything away from what he has achieved in the past however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I knew you would pipe up being being a mega laugh you make me laugh you are a P?.....!!You tell me on British Final's appearances Auty,Howarth, who qualified on merit on every appearance is that simple anough for you are you capable ??? probably not. I cant be assed to indulge a moron tonight you believe what you want to believe the rest of us will carry on laughing at you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Sid, you’re getting a bit Autystic. Your one to seven with Wells in it looks pretty sad saying that you know better than Rosco .You need to take stock and say well -------- nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Your one to seven with Wells in it looks pretty sad saying that you know better than Rosco .You need to take stock and say well -------- nothing. if only you took your own advice... isnt it amazing that the amazing Rosco has never considered Auty good enough but has done riders like Wells, Howarth etc... maybe he knows who is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, phillipsr said: I cant be assed to indulge a moron tonight you believe what you want to believe the rest of us will carry on laughing at you You are a Pr.. end of myself listening to you give's me a laugh or to you pipe up like a spot on the bum yet you have f... all to offer. Laugh see Phillipsr you will always have a laugh enjoy your night Saddo. Edited November 29, 2019 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Auty was injured for at least one. And???...... Auty only got into last years final because I think Lambert was injured 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: You are a Pr.. end of myself listening to you give's me a laugh or to you pipe up like a spot on the bum yet you have f... all to offer. Laugh see Phillipsr you will always have a laugh enjoy your night Saddo. Embarrassed again so resorts to personal insults, what is that makes you so angry? Old age? You started pissing the bed?? Cant get it up to satisfy the missus? What is it maybe we could help 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Sometime ago I went through the same argument with Sidney regarding Kyle Howarth and Josh Auty. I produced lots of facts and figures why I thought Kyle had done better with his career than Josh. The only thing that he could come back on was one off British Finals. After so long I realised that did matter what I said or what evidence I produced he was having none of it. Eventually I decided like I always do in these situations to leave at that. Maybe he should ask Rosco to sign him for Swindon, which would make Sidney's day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 3:18 PM, Bagpuss said: The fact Auty hasn’t ridden regularly in the top division for years speaks volumes. Can posters please shut up about Auty. He did well years ago at Birmingham, Sheffield & Redcar. He has, also, been used at Belle Vue & Leicester. He has said it himself, HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE TOP LEAGUE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Can posters please shut up about Auty. He did well years ago at Birmingham, Sheffield & Redcar. He has, also, been used at Belle Vue & Leicester. He has said it himself, HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE TOP LEAGUE! More like the top league is not interested in him! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Can posters please shut up about Auty. He did well years ago at Birmingham, Sheffield & Redcar. He has, also, been used at Belle Vue & Leicester. He has said it himself, HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE TOP LEAGUE! Imagine its hard when you know you aren't up to it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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