Baldyman Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 What a joke,,, typical speedway,, do something decent, then ruin it 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arch Stanton Posted February 9, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, spin king said: Looking at the Grading lists he is listed on the Grade 4 list. (As I understand the ruling). Which means he can only be classed as the Rising Star in the Premier League. His experience at that level is not 9 years. Its is 4 years and one of those in 2019 was very limited meetings for Peterborough. In saying that I was very surprised to see his name on the list. It doesn’t matter if it’s 9 years or 4! He shouldn’t be on it full stop. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, spin king said: Looking at the Grading lists he is listed on the Grade 4 list. (As I understand the ruling). Which means he can only be classed as the Rising Star in the Premier League. His experience at that level is not 9 years. Its is 4 years and one of those in 2019 was very limited meetings for Peterborough. In saying that I was very surprised to see his name on the list. Consistent 6.50 ave in 2nd tier and about 5 in top tier and he could claim a testimonial in 2022........ enough said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Consistent 6.50 ave in 2nd tier and about 5 in top tier and he could claim a testimonial in 2022........ enough said Simon Lambert was granted a testimonial in 2016, a season where he rode as an elite draft/fast track rider, so there is a precedent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, spin king said: Looking at the Grading lists he is listed on the Grade 4 list. (As I understand the ruling). Which means he can only be classed as the Rising Star in the Premier League. His experience at that level is not 9 years. Its is 4 years and one of those in 2019 was very limited meetings for Peterborough. In saying that I was very surprised to see his name on the list. So Bates has actually ridden in the last 9 years? Well why isnt Jason Crump on the list as he has no Professional racing league experience in the last 9? Edit: Wheres Rory Schlein on list? hes only had 1 or 2 years experience as a British rider..... Edited February 9, 2021 by 2ndbendbeerhut 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 So it seems the general consensus on here is Josh Bates should 100% be on the rising star list? Glad we all agree then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, spin king junior said: So it seems the general consensus on here is Josh Bates should 100% be on the rising star list? Glad we all agree then Obviously no bias due to family on the BSPA!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScunnyDan Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, GAH said: no one rode in 2020 apart from the 3 streamed meetings from b/vue and the 4 meetings held at Scunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: It doesn’t matter if it’s 9 years or 4! He shouldn’t be on it full stop. It will probably be "in the interests of Speedway"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Consistent 6.50 ave in 2nd tier and about 5 in top tier and he could claim a testimonial in 2022........ enough said And had a race at the very top in a Cardiff GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 hours ago, ScunnyDan said: and the 4 meetings held at Scunny And the 2 meetings ar Plymouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 To be fair I’m not opposed to Josh Bates being on the list. I only said the other day that I believe the ‘rising star’ list shouldn’t have grades/averages and should purely be capped to a maximum age (which I suggested at 25) and a maximum average - both of which would make Josh eligible. The difference between me and the BSPL is I wouldn’t of hid my criteria, simple, straight forward and not just produced a list that suits some and doesn’t suit others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 WWE has more sporting credibility than speedway when it comes to situations like this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Josh Bates as a 4* rising star is an absolute steel for Sheffield. I would have thought it would have been restricted to riders with limited experience.... seems promoters are still looking after themselves once more instead of looking after the Sport as a whole. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: Josh Bates as a 4* rising star is an absolute steel for Sheffield. I would have thought it would have been restricted to riders with limited experience.... seems promoters are still looking after themselves once more instead of looking after the Sport as a whole. So it's obvious Bates will get a place over a real rising star.Bates is at his level imo and it looks like a rider who may have bigger ambitions than Bates may miss out.I thought the rising star position was meant to be there to give our youngsters the experience of riding at a higher level and learning from better riders. Edit: Wouldn't be surprised to see Bacon at Peterborough also taking a place of a talented youngster.He's 28 Edited February 10, 2021 by tellboy 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Totally agree with all of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 37 minutes ago, tellboy said: So it's obvious Bates will get a place over a real rising star.Bates is at his level imo and it looks like a rider who may have bigger ambitions than Bates may miss out.I thought the rising star position was meant to be there to give our youngsters the experience of riding at a higher level and learning from better riders. Edit: Wouldn't be surprised to see Bacon at Peterborough also taking a place of a talented youngster.He's 28 Who are the riders, who at least near EL standard, who are missing out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Who are the riders, who at least near EL standard, who are missing out? I accept there is an argument that there are riders in the list who would struggle in the Premiership but personally I would rather the spots were for under 21’s who might find it tough initially but could improve quickly if given the chance. We pretty much know that the older riders on the list won’t reach international standard but we don’t know that of the younger ones and this idea might push them on along with experience abroad. The Poles employ two juniors at the bottom end of their teams and while some sink many swim and become good enough to mix it with the best, we need to be doing the same because what we have been doing for many years hasn’t worked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Gunner85 said: Josh Bates as a 4* rising star is an absolute steel for Sheffield. I would have thought it would have been restricted to riders with limited experience.... seems promoters are still looking after themselves once more instead of looking after the Sport as a whole. As Cilla would have said.... "Surprise Surprise!"..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Who are the riders, who at least near EL standard, who are missing out? I think you're missing the point - the rising stars arent necessarily meant to be at EL (sic) level as yet where as Bates certainly in the scheme of the 2021 set up is He should have a place in the top league on merit but not as a rising star 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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