phillipsr Posted December 5, 2019 Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Looking at the averages, Sheffield could have fitted in Josh Auty at reserve instead of Todd Kurtz! As Auty is a track specialist at Owlerton, I'm surprised they haven't gone for him! He isnt.. Kurtz is better at Owlerton look at the race results between the two in the last few years.. Kurtz wins more often than not 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 13 hours ago, szkocjasid said: But is Kurtz more likely than Auty to beat reserves away from home though? Totally agree Auty would out score Kurtz also he can battle from the back away from home Kurtz/ Morris look weak.At Swindon we look vulnerable down the bottom end of the team but i think Perks/Rowe/ Stewart can hold there own against the calibre of rider that Kurtz/Morris are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally agree Auty would out score Kurtz also he can battle from the back away from home Kurtz/ Morris look weak.At Swindon we look vulnerable down the bottom end of the team but i think Perks/Rowe/ Stewart can hold there own against the calibre of rider that Kurtz/Morris are. tell me Sidney, what is your fascination with Auty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, therefused said: tell me Sidney, what is your fascination with Auty? Not fascinated with Auty just feel Sheffield who have a nice looking side and that is great news for the league could of got stronger reserves ( ie Pickering as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally agree Auty would out score Kurtz also he can battle from the back away from home Kurtz/ Morris look weak.At Swindon we look vulnerable down the bottom end of the team but i think Perks/Rowe/ Stewart can hold there own against the calibre of rider that Kurtz/Morris are. Jordan Stewart will never ride at reserve for you, he's a rider that's improving all the time and will more than likely beat most teams second string riders home and away. As for Auty he's been at Sheffield, good Championship rider, seems to have a bit of an attitude problem and for the first few meetings he was in this year he was struggling to finish a race never mind win it! Todd is more of a team man and he's with The Drillermans outfit so had to be here really. Just hope he gets some heat 2 wins at home. Morris.... well lets just hope he settles at Owlerton, only seen him have one reasonable meeting here and that's when we finished bottom two years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 Sheffield fans delighted with Kurtz. Away fans arguing about if we should have had Kurtz, Auty, Pickering, etc. Only in speedway... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 hours ago, squall said: Sheffield fans delighted with Kurtz. Away fans arguing about if we should have had Kurtz, Auty, Pickering, etc. Only in speedway... In truth there is no argument. Todd is better at Sheffield than Auty, as proven by stats. Only someone who has no knowledge of the CL would argue different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sidney the robin Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/6/2019 at 10:29 PM, stevebrum said: In truth there is no argument. Todd is better at Sheffield than Auty, as proven by stats. Only someone who has no knowledge of the CL would argue different. Championship stats tell a different story Steve and dont forget Todd was released at Somerset.!!!All about opinion's and we shall see if the Sheffield reserves contribute anough home and away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Brownell Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Would much rather have Todd to Josh at top level you have to gate and josh just can't and everybody is so fast it not easy to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Championship stats tell a different story Steve and dont forget Todd was released at Somerset.!!!All about opinion's and we shall see if the Sheffield reserves contribute anough home and away. Josh at championship level would be my pick over Todd, I’d agree. However the stats at Sheffield show Todd is better this season. Thankfully, for Sheffield, there are a few weaker number 7s next season but still expect him to struggle away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, stevebrum said: Josh at championship level would be my pick over Todd, I’d agree. However the stats at Sheffield show Todd is better this season. Thankfully, for Sheffield, there are a few weaker number 7s next season but still expect him to struggle away. Likewise at Swindon we could be vulnerable away, i see Perks improving though and his average should go up.Jordan i really like looks like a real racer but to average five in a top five is a tough ask he might swap with Ellis Perks as the season goes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Likewise at Swindon we could be vulnerable away, i see Perks improving though and his average should go up.Jordan i really like looks like a real racer but to average five in a top five is a tough ask he might swap with Ellis Perks as the season goes along. Swindon have a look of the team to beat again next season already anyway but yes there are question marks over the bottom 3. Ellis I thought was a NL standard rider only until this season when it proves that riding often really can help bring you along. Gonna be a huge task to step up even more to second string or senior reserve. Big ask imho. As for Jordan, not seen him. Although his scores in the CL have improved. Looks a steady improver maybe in the mould of Douglas? Well worth the gamble I’d say. Rowe would appear out of his depth but he has made significant improvement in the CL and held done a second string role. Plus there are on paper equally weak number 7s. Again probably worth the gamble I’d say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Championship stats tell a different story Steve and dont forget Todd was released at Somerset.!!!All about opinion's and we shall see if the Sheffield reserves contribute anough home and away. Championship stats show Josh Auty no 1 atScunthorpe and Todd Kurtz 2 points on average worse than Josh and only a second string .So not much to compare.The stats say Josh is the better rider but on track Todd is a better gater and riding at reserve would be expected to get points round owlerton and occasionally away.Josh is spectacular round Sheffield but he would only be on par with Todd away.We can only speculate as other teams are not complete.If Douglas and Allen start at reserve then they will average a lot more than Todd.If you want to compare riders it should be Todd and Jordan Stewart who is quite good round Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Hopefully putting the Auty v Kurtz to bed here a couple facts and stats Fact Josh has clearly stated that he has no interest in riding in the Premiership, it would appear that he has found his limit and his contented to stick with Scunthorpe Out of all of the riders in the Championship who finished as the teams number 1 rider Josh had lowest away average, and the difference between home and away averages he had the second highest difference. Stats Since Todd joined Sheffield Todd has raced Josh 8 times. Of those 8 race Todd scored 13 points and Josh scored 10 Todd beat Josh on 6 of those 8 occasions. And finally Todd is an asset of Sheffield speedway so loan fee require, and with the signing of Nicki Pedersen balancing the books could have come into play with bringing into the team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, spin king said: Hopefully putting the Auty v Kurtz to bed here a couple facts and stats Fact Josh has clearly stated that he has no interest in riding in the Premiership, it would appear that he has found his limit and his contented to stick with Scunthorpe Out of all of the riders in the Championship who finished as the teams number 1 rider Josh had lowest away average, and the difference between home and away averages he had the second highest difference. Stats Since Todd joined Sheffield Todd has raced Josh 8 times. Of those 8 race Todd scored 13 points and Josh scored 10 Todd beat Josh on 6 of those 8 occasions. And finally Todd is an asset of Sheffield speedway so loan fee require, and with the signing of Nicki Pedersen balancing the books could have come into play with bringing into the team. Can’t argue with facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 hours ago, stevebrum said: Can’t argue with facts. Ill bet you there will be a couple that will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Ill bet you there will be a couple that will Oh yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Championship stats show Josh Auty no 1 atScunthorpe and Todd Kurtz 2 points on average worse than Josh and only a second string .So not much to compare.The stats say Josh is the better rider but on track Todd is a better gater and riding at reserve would be expected to get points round owlerton and occasionally away.Josh is spectacular round Sheffield but he would only be on par with Todd away.We can only speculate as other teams are not complete.If Douglas and Allen start at reserve then they will average a lot more than Todd.If you want to compare riders it should be Todd and Jordan Stewart who is quite good round Sheffield. A really good post and you are pretty spot on with your observation i was was beginning to think Auty had become an awful rider overnight at Owlerton.Your point about Stewart is a good one Pickering, Etheridge also are two others who will compare to Todd.Spin king's point about Todd being an asset and a fan's favourite is a good one and this season it will be interesting to see how all the reserves perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: A really good post and you are pretty spot on with your observation i was was beginning to think Auty had become an awful rider overnight at Owlerton.Your point about Stewart is a good one Pickering, Etheridge also are two others who will compare to Todd.Spin king's point about Todd being an asset and a fan's favourite is a good one and this season it will be interesting to see how all the reserves perform. Spin king has done the stats on Auty v Kurtz at Sheffield (post not far above). Kurtz is the better rider at Sheffield without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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