RobMcCaffery Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: WHY do they make things so complicated? For commercial reasons. BT would prefer you to watch their channels on their own service. So, by restricting what they give Sky and Virgin they hope to get people to switch to them for the full service. Sky do the same, restricting UHD and not allowing Virgin to show Sky Atlantic. Again they hope viewers will switch to Sky for the full service. On Virgin we get all the BT Sport channels but not access to their app, player or catch-up service. Again, they want us to get their TV, and more crucially broadband internet from them. When you pay Sky, a proportion of what you pay then has to be paid on by Sky to the owners of channels that are not owned by Sky, such as Eurosport. Part of your payment goes to Discovery, Eurosport's owners. This is why many people think Eurosport in the UK is free - you don't have to pay a separate charge, but it's there in the monthly package fee. BT decided not to do such a deal with Sky. They instead decided to sell subscriptions direct, so if you paid £30 a month to Sky you'd need to pay a separate £30 to BT direct instead of £60 to Sky. The channels would be on the Sky satellites but not in Sky's own package. Since they started their multichannel service in 1989 Sky have always been happy to let people think they own all the channels. They don't and never have done. As we know, Discovery own a large number, as does UKTV (Dave, Gold etc) anf Viacom (MTV etc). They all get their cut out of Sky's monthly charges. Until now BT did their own 'thing'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 The licence fee used to cover it all There's just too many channels now available and far too many bl00dy adverts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: The licence fee used to cover it all There's just too many channels now available and far too many bl00dy adverts. Agreed. As someone involved in the dawn of satellite TV I know we were out to broaden choice and offer specialised programming that the existing networks couldn't or wouldn't show. Then along came Murdoch and we are swimming in endless American TV, especially drama, to the point where some people seem unable to realise they don't live in America ;-) As has been proved by Discovery/Eurosport both in Britain and internationally, money counts. It would be comforting to know that the money will filter through to benefit the sport and not just a handful of competitors. Past experience does suggest otherwise.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: The licence fee used to cover it all There's just too many channels now available and far too many bl00dy adverts. If you don't like the adverts, just record everything on sky+ and fast forward, when they come on. I've been doing this for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, RS50 said: If you don't like the adverts, just record everything on sky+ and fast forward, when they come on. I've been doing this for years. So, let's say 10 years at 5 minutes a day, that's over 300 hours sat fast forwarding. Good use of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: So, let's say 10 years at 5 minutes a day, that's over 300 hours sat fast forwarding. Good use of time. But it would be ten times that if you sat through the adverts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, RS50 said: If you don't like the adverts, just record everything on sky+ and fast forward, when they come on. I've been doing this for years. Mostly do that, not long ago I timed a program and it had 45 mins of program and 15 of intro and adverts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, DC2 said: But it would be ten times that if you sat through the adverts! Difficult to avoid for live events, which is why I always prefer BBC coverage and have drifted away from other sports I used to enjoy such as Cricket. Can just about bear it to watch speedway coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Difficult to avoid for live events, which is why I always prefer BBC coverage and have drifted away from other sports I used to enjoy such as Cricket. Can just about bear it to watch speedway coverage. You were complaining about wasting 300 hours every year fast forwarding through adverts. And yet you watch cricket????? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Difficult to avoid for live events, which is why I always prefer BBC coverage and have drifted away from other sports I used to enjoy such as Cricket. Can just about bear it to watch speedway coverage. I let live sport get a head start and then start watching after about 15 minutes. Then I can just f/f the ads. At one time ITV was allowed six minutes of ads per hour. Now a one hour programme on a commercial channel indeed is about 40-45 of actual programme with the rest ads and programme promos. When it comes to sport channels it's sheer greed to sell advertising on top of charging viewers extortionate monthly fees. Edited December 11, 2019 by RobMcCaffery 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 8:42 AM, DC2 said: But it would be ten times that if you sat through the adverts! x30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 6:35 AM, RS50 said: If you don't like the adverts, just record everything on sky+ and fast forward, when they come on. I've been doing this for years. Me too! At 30x they are gone in the blink of an eye. If I see another advert for that ruddy Peleton bike, I swear I'll throw something at the TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 3:54 PM, Bunce said: That's a pain. Means I have to pay out for BT Sport just to watch the GP's. Eurosport is already part of my Sky package. Not necessarily. For years now the GPs have been uploaded onto YouTube, which you can watch on a smart TV., and usually on there by late evening. Therefore, don't look at the result then watch it as a 'live' performance the following day. No ads either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, tocha said: Not necessarily. For years now the GPs have been uploaded onto YouTube, which you can watch on a smart TV., and usually on there by late evening. Therefore, don't look at the result then watch it as a 'live' performance the following day. No ads either. You can also ff the boring bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 just watching tennis on Eurosport adverts all the time .hope it is not so frequent when they start speedway coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, ray c said: just watching tennis on Eurosport adverts all the time .hope it is not so frequent when they start speedway coverage advert after every race...... why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Advertising is how they make money, why would a mickey mouse sport like speedway change that. When they show the euro speedway,, I think its adverts every 4 races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: advert after every race...... why not? 8 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Advertising is how they make money, why would a mickey mouse sport like speedway change that. When they show the euro speedway,, I think its adverts every 4 races Just an opinion as I saw it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Tennis will naturally have more breaks,, but they will be short ones with only a minute between games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, ray c said: just watching tennis on Eurosport adverts all the time .hope it is not so frequent when they start speedway coverage Would rather that than to watch no speedway at all to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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