Falcon1983 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Would love to see Glasgow Belle vue Sheffield Wolverhampton Kent/Somerset Kings Lynn Ipswich Poole Peterborough Swindon Making it a 10 team league 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: And people were saying the amount of guests being used was making the sport a laughing stock It does, but an away team with guests on a Friday or Saturday evening at the NSS will still generate a bigger crowd than a 'proper' away team on a Monday or a Thursday.. There's no real kudos in winning any Speedway League title in the UK, so it doesn't really matter who represents who.. Therefore, ride on the night you can make your most money, even if it's a bit contrived.. The fans who are still going regularly have shown that contrived septets don't prevent their attendance so it doesn't really matter to them if the teams are a bit cobbled together.. So ride on nights when most fans can get there... Its obvious the sport cannot run itself 'properly' as a genuine team sport due to a myriad of variable issues, so it might as well not even try running itself 'properly' and aim to get those who still attend now, but maybe not every match, to attend more often... Edited October 22, 2019 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:48 PM, Red Flag said: Don’t forget that down south they think the world ends at Watford And that includes those stupid bloody politicians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: And people were saying the amount of guests being used was making the sport a laughing stock Guests were making it a laughing stock, but so are riders riding for two or three teams, albeit not in the same leagues. To me it's no different. I agree that teams should and must be allowed to ride on the night that pulls in the best crowd. It's a no brainer really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I won’t get into long discussions as I am with a group of friends in Italy and we’re about to go out to dinner. But what is most important is the home team fielding the same 1 to 7 every week. Less so the away team. Poole won’t be in the top flight next season, more’s the shame. I am not looking forward to next season and believe the crowds at Poole will be considerably down because of it. A second string as a number one will not be a crowd puller. It may come as a surprise to you, but nobody cares where you are or whom you are with. Keep that stuff for non sensical Facebook. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I won’t get into long discussions as I am with a group of friends in Italy and we’re about to go out to dinner. But what is most important is the home team fielding the same 1 to 7 every week. Less so the away team. Poole won’t be in the top flight next season, more’s the shame. I am not looking forward to next season and believe the crowds at Poole will be considerably down because of it. A second string as a number one will not be a crowd puller. Your are obviously the sort of person that would rather see your team thrash another and not worry about what the racing is like. Its important that BOTH teams field the same 1-7 kind of adds credability Or are all Poole fans the same as you where all you care about is winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 7:24 PM, poolebolton said: Have fun in the Premiership! CVS just confirmed it. Honestly Good luck to Sheffield Berwick definitely are not going up Finally why would Kent go up? cant start until 6.30 with an 8.30 curfew!!! two tape infringements and the extra track grading required to keep the "prima donnas" happy and most meetings will be abandoned by heat 8 with no result declared or standing CVS shouldn't have said anything its not his right to say what other clubs might or might not be doing (Naughty Man) Regards THJ 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Gavan said: You cant honestly think thats a good idea......or is it simply that because you will drop down you dont really care Poole stay in the top league at home on a Wednesday to a Kings Lynn side with Iversen and Palm Toft riding in their own country.............. Poole fans wont turn up..............Lynn fans wont travel...........financial suicide If Poole go back to Wednesdays in the lower league it wont matter as possibly the opposition wont have many riders in the Danish league Honestly This season Newcastle had three Danes and Glasgow ended up with four Danes; however fixtures I suggest can be worked around; but that's not the point what about the change of race day in the championship where Redcar had to move to a Friday and Sheffield had to go to a Sunday to free up the Thursdays and Sheffield have cited as one of their reasons behind moving up was to get back to a Thursday race day. I was under the impression that the championship would race on the Friday Saturday/Sunday to keep the midweek free for the "top league" So why are Poole not being asked to run on a weekend if they drop down rather than just assuming that they can come back down and pick Wednesday as their race night? These self serving agendas are okay if its your club and it is two fingers up to anyone else but promotions need to realise that this continuous manipulation and self interest attitude just hurts other clubs. When its gone it is very difficult to bring back... Regards THJ Hang on (getting annoyed now) just need to edit this as may be it does matter about clubs in the lower leagues its dismissive attitudes about other clubs that cause the issues the "Flock you Jack we are alright brigade" that are actually causing all the issues by not giving a "flying flunky" about other clubs and ploughing a lone furrow or even riding roughshod over other clubs ; without the NDL Speedway has 3 years max and without the second tier to bring on Brits for the precious top league there would be no speedway either; people need a reality check we are in the 21st century not the glory days of the 50's and 60's. It needs a joined up approach not insular promotions who spit the dummy when they cant get there own way or get found out trying to twist the rules. Might change the handle to Totally Disillusioned John Edited October 23, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn missed out key words 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly This season Newcastle had three Danes and Glasgow ended up with four Danes; however fixtures I suggest can be worked around; but that's not the point what about the change of race day in the championship where Redcar had to move to a Friday and Sheffield had to go to a Sunday to free up the Thursdays and Sheffield have cited as one of their reasons behind moving up was to get back to a Thursday race day. I was under the impression that the championship would race on the Friday Saturday/Sunday to keep the midweek free for the "top league" So why are Poole not being asked to run on a weekend rather than just assuming that they can come back down and pick Wednesday as their race night? These self serving agendas are okay if its your club and it is two fingers up to anyone else but promotions need to realise that this continuous manipulation and self interest attitude just hurts other clubs. When its gone it is very difficult to bring back... Regards THJ Didn't Somerset ride on Weds? Poole can't ride on Sat or Sun cos of greyhounds, but I think Friday's are okay..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I won’t get into long discussions as I am with a group of friends in Italy and we’re about to go out to dinner. But what is most important is the home team fielding the same 1 to 7 every week. Less so the away team. Poole won’t be in the top flight next season, more’s the shame. I am not looking forward to next season and believe the crowds at Poole will be considerably down because of it. A second string as a number one will not be a crowd puller. Another case of Poole to win/ survive at any cost. As long as you get what you want, then that's fine.. What about the home fans , don't they deserve to get their ££ worth and see a visiting team with a their "proper" 1-7. Edited October 23, 2019 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said: Another case of Poole to win/ survive at any cost. As long as you get what you want, then that's fine.. What about the home fans , don't they deserve to get their monies worth and see a visiting team with a their "proper" 1-7. Its Steve Shovlar..............he trolls to get reaction by saying the complete opposite to anyone else Because i cant get to go to many meetings i pick and choose who i want to go and see.....................i certainly wouldnt have chose to go see Ipswich v Peterborough last season for example. You will get die hard fans who can go every week no matter what the opposition You will then get fans like myself who cant make every week and others who simply cant afford to..........these people will cherry pick there meetings..........unless Poole fans prefer the away side to be very weak thus meaning they can cheer every race the 5-1 or the 4-2 they are likely to get........... I guess Shovlar wants a very strong home team v a weakened away team so that Poole can be victorious...........well unless all Poole fans think the same then that will be an issue for the club... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 For me I am more likely to go vs a local rival (this year Swindon, next season Eastbourne and Somerset) or if the away team has a few riders I like or close in form/ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: For me I am more likely to go vs a local rival (this year Swindon, next season Eastbourne and Somerset) or if the away team has a few riders I like or close in form/ability. Exactly my point I know you have to pick and choose your meetings like i do.............so why spend your hard earned money going to watch a strong Poole1-7 v a weakened away team.....you wouldnt......but thats what Shovlar wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Gavan You're just as bad as steve at times as you've taken his comment and reworded it to a way in which you can pick him to bits He said it's more important to the home team to have a regular 1-7 which is true, 99% of the crowd will be the home crowd wanting to watch their 7 If the away side has two guests then it's not the end of the world to the home side if you are wanting to cheer on your home teams 1-7 He didn't even suggest that he wants to see poole beat weakened teams 5-1 each race, you should know more than most that sometimes with away guests you end up stronger than usual as you can guest in track specialists. What that does however is make a mockery of the sport and league table I'll agree with that, as it's your oppositions riders who have helped a rival club gain league position... cant see aguero banging in 30 goals for tottenham to help them finish top 4 then getting his Title winning medal for City 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Any club in any league wants a strong home team with strong home performances and anyone that says not is in cloud cuckoo land! Its what pays the bills, attracts sponsors and fans - given the right local media support - and helps make the club successful. Notice I say 'club' rather than 'team'. Ideally the home meetings will be close as far as the final score is concerned but as we all know there can be successive 5-1s or 4-2s by either side which doesnt guarantee good entertaining racing any more than a succession of 3-3s. A home win and a consistent 1-7 will at least ensure that the majority of regular fans will keep returning - even some of the lapsed ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: Another case of Poole to win/ survive at any cost. As long as you get what you want, then that's fine.. What about the home fans , don't they deserve to get their ££ worth and see a visiting team with a their "proper" 1-7. To be fair, its not a 'Poole thing'.... For what seems like 'forever' away teams have arrived with guests... Often having agreed to a meeting knowing full well that their 'star rider' will be missing as required elsewhere, as lets be honest, their crowd wont be impacted by his absence. Or. They agreed to the meeting knowing they could bring in a couple of ringer track specialists to replace their known missing riders who might not be as good at that particular track.. Surprising how many times 'star riders' are always available for home meetings though... Given the reputation of the team competitions in the UK, it doesn't really matter who makes up the septets, so just ride under the banner of the two teams on the best nights you can get a crowd in... And as has been said, ensure your home side is strong so fans (who are obviously ok with contrived septets) can at least keep the faith that their team has a chance of winning their home meetings, thus will keep attending... And if you ride on the nights that traditionally brought you your best crowds, then you have more chance of getting those all important 'fans who used to be regulars', to attend more often than maybe they currently do now. . Much easier to bring them back into the speedway fold than attract newbies I would suggest.. Edited October 23, 2019 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: Gavan You're just as bad as steve at times as you've taken his comment and reworded it to a way in which you can pick him to bits He said it's more important to the home team to have a regular 1-7 which is true, 99% of the crowd will be the home crowd wanting to watch their 7 If the away side has two guests then it's not the end of the world to the home side if you are wanting to cheer on your home teams 1-7 He didn't even suggest that he wants to see poole beat weakened teams 5-1 each race, you should know more than most that sometimes with away guests you end up stronger than usual as you can guest in track specialists. If Gavan doesn’t have the intellect to understand my post, then he really has proved himself to be a complete And utter numpty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 22 hours ago, Gavan said: Your are obviously the sort of person that would rather see your team thrash another and not worry about what the racing is like. Its important that BOTH teams field the same 1-7 kind of adds credability Or are all Poole fans the same as you where all you care about is winning NO we are NOT all the same as the 'Poole mouth' 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 One thing that stopped me getting a season ticket at Birmingham was that atrocious injury hit season they endured. 2008 I think, the team were so entertaining with Legault & Roynon but neither of them (& a few other riders) could stay fit. So it was Jason Lyons, Craig Watson, Lee Smart, three guests and R/R seemingly every week from then on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) If there is any truth in this, then it clearly shows the unprofessionalism of CVS. The individual clubs should make the announcements when they feel it's appropriate. If he has leaked confidential information it shows a complete disregard to his fellow promoters. Edited October 24, 2019 by KevtheRev spelling correction 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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