TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Honestly Kelsey Duggard must be a shoe in for the Gems; he is living in the North East now; will be swinging the spanner's for the Slovenian GP rider this season and comes in on a bargain 3.35 average. Also if you are looking to give local talent a go... Don't forget Dean Douglas... (No relation to Kieran) Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Max Clegg IS eligible! He's got a CL average above 4.00 and has a CL team place? Or am I misunderstanding the rules... If he is eligible... GET HIM SIGNED UP AS THE NUMBER 1 13 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly Kelsey Duggard must be a shoe in for the Gems; he is living in the North East now; will be swinging the spanner's for the Slovenian GP rider this season and comes in on a bargain 3.35 average. Also if you are looking to give local talent a go... Don't forget Dean Douglas... (No relation to Kieran) Regards THJ Forgot about Kelsey... Good shout, although if he's spannering for Nick and Nick is in Heat 15... It'll be a bit tight for Kelsey will it not? Wouldn't say 3.35 is a bargain, but he'd be a solid reserve imo... When was the last time he rode Brough? Don't recall him doing second halves? Dean is not ready imo... He should stick to the NJL for sure... No offence to him but it would be like Danny in the CL... In the deep end too soon, and he'd get nowhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dandelion said: He's got a CL average above 4.00 and has a CL team place? Or am I misunderstanding the rules... If he is eligible... GET HIM SIGNED UP AS THE NUMBER 1 Forgot about Kelsey... Good shout, although if he's spannering for Nick and Nick is in Heat 15... It'll be a bit tight for Kelsey will it not? Wouldn't say 3.35 is a bargain, but he'd be a solid reserve imo... When was the last time he rode Brough? Don't recall him doing second halves? Dean is not ready imo... He should stick to the NJL for sure... No offence to him but it would be like Danny in the CL... In the deep end too soon, and he'd get nowhere Without checking the rules, I think Max said such at the Talk-in before Christmas. Edited January 16, 2020 by StevePark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, StevePark said: Without checking the rules, I think Max said such at the Talk-in before Christmas. Aye... It's a bit of a shame how a young Brit like Max isn't allowed to ride in his own nation's development league 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 45 minutes ago, StevePark said: Without checking the rules, I think Max said such at the Talk-in before Christmas. Max said after the closure of stoke and cradley not running he didn’t want to do NL and concentrate all his efforts on Newcastle,that’s not to say he won’t ride in the trophy meetings for them now..he’s pretty close to dave Tattum as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Dandelion said: Aye... It's a bit of a shame how a young Brit like Max isn't allowed to ride in his own nation's development league How many years has he been riding now? He shouldnt be in the NL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, phillipsr said: How many years has he been riding now? He shouldnt be in the NL You could say the same about Nicholls Harris etc riding in the championship..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dandelion said: He's got a CL average above 4.00 and has a CL team place? Or am I misunderstanding the rules... If he is eligible... GET HIM SIGNED UP AS THE NUMBER 1 Forgot about Kelsey... Good shout, although if he's spannering for Nick and Nick is in Heat 15... It'll be a bit tight for Kelsey will it not? Wouldn't say 3.35 is a bargain, but he'd be a solid reserve imo... When was the last time he rode Brough? Don't recall him doing second halves? Dean is not ready imo... He should stick to the NJL for sure... No offence to him but it would be like Danny in the CL... In the deep end too soon, and he'd get nowhere There is no maximum Championship ave to stop a rider racing in NL, only rule is you can only sign ONE rider who has averaged above 4.00! So technically Edward Kennett could double down in NL (will never happen I know)! Edited January 16, 2020 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 hours ago, szkocjasid said: There is no maximum Championship ave to stop a rider racing in NL, only rule is you can only sign ONE rider who has averaged above 4.00! So technically Edward Kennett could double down in NL (will never happen I know)! 19.6.2 A Rider’s MA will be based upon their latest (attained during the seasons 2013 – 2018 only) NDL or PL/SGBC MA (multiplied by 2 and subject to a minimum / maximum converted MA’s being 2.00 / 12.00. NB. Where a rider has both a previous PL/SGBC and NDL MA, the highest will apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 hours ago, phillipsr said: How many years has he been riding now? He shouldnt be in the NL How do you know he's riding in the national league ? As nothing has been mentioned to date !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, pienpeesman said: How do you know he's riding in the national league ? As nothing has been mentioned to date !! It was in response to some suggesting he should ride for the Gems team.. Simple really he shouldn't be in the NL anymore we need to avoid riders who aren't ever going to make it passed Reserve/Second String using the NL to prop themselves up, That league should be for improving youngsters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, phillipsr said: It was in response to some suggesting he should ride for the Gems team.. Simple really he shouldn't be in the NL anymore we need to avoid riders who aren't ever going to make it passed Reserve/Second String using the NL to prop themselves up, That league should be for improving youngsters Point taken but what about bigreds post on Harris & Nicholls & could even say cookie as we all know he's to good for the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 54 minutes ago, phillipsr said: It was in response to some suggesting he should ride for the Gems team.. Simple really he shouldn't be in the NL anymore we need to avoid riders who aren't ever going to make it passed Reserve/Second String using the NL to prop themselves up, That league should be for improving youngsters Also max is only going himself even tho he's been around a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, phillipsr said: It was in response to some suggesting he should ride for the Gems team.. Simple really he shouldn't be in the NL anymore we need to avoid riders who aren't ever going to make it passed Reserve/Second String using the NL to prop themselves up, That league should be for improving youngsters Commercially there is a need to have big scorers to keep the team in the meeting, and to set an example to the youngsters . Youngsters thrashing around without guidance will take a lot longer to get where they want to be. If a group of youngsters are getting thrashed by full strength opponents at home, it doesn't please the home crowd who might withdraw their support as some fans insist on a victory whenever possible. Old hands can give advice with riding lines and bike preparation, and also give the give team a lift with their encouragement and experience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Commercially there is a need to have big scorers to keep the team in the meeting, and to set an example to the youngsters . Youngsters thrashing around without guidance will take a lot longer to get where they want to be. If a group of youngsters are getting thrashed by full strength opponents at home, it doesn't please the home crowd who might withdraw their support as some fans insist on a victory whenever possible. Old hands can give advice with riding lines and bike preparation, and also give the give team a lift with their encouragement and experience. Totally agree, however when does a youngster become an old hand or when does an old hand become to old. Blurred lines 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binman Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Ben Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 14 hours ago, NeilWatson said: 19.6.2 A Rider’s MA will be based upon their latest (attained during the seasons 2013 – 2018 only) NDL or PL/SGBC MA (multiplied by 2 and subject to a minimum / maximum converted MA’s being 2.00 / 12.00. NB. Where a rider has both a previous PL/SGBC and NDL MA, the highest will apply. I read that as meaning a 6+ Championship rider can ride in NL with a 12.00 ave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I read that as meaning a 6+ Championship rider can ride in NL with a 12.00 ave? The effect of the rule is that any rider with a CL average of over six would have a converted NDL average of over twelve so would be ineligible. Edited January 17, 2020 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, NeilWatson said: The effect of the rule is that any rider with an average of over six would have a converted average of over twelve so would be ineligible. Jason Pipe on FB confirmed there was no maximum ave for riders doubling down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, szkocjasid said: Jason Pipe on FB confirmed there was no maximum ave for riders doubling down! Perhaps the rule has changed for 2020 - the rule I quoted was from the 2019 Speedway Regulations. Any NDL team that signs a 12+ rider is going to be very top-heavy...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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