Justgotmecpc Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Should enter the CL team.. might have a chance Love your positive posts ( idiot ) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 17 hours ago, PotteringAround said: This Newcastle late bid seems very strange and should be turned down. If they wanted to join the NDL why weren't they at the AGM? To allow someone to join at this stage after the AGM is done and dusted, and teams have been built, would be crazy. It sets a dangerous precedent for future years. Also. The Trophy is for standalone clubs only (remember Belle Vue, Leicester, Armadale and Kent weren't allowed to enter the trophy). If Newcastle wanted to join anything, it should be the NDL (and should have been done at the AGM). Finally if Newcastle were allowed into the trophy (and they shouldn't be), surely they would have to sign 7 riders from the large number of riders who have been frozen out of the NDL by the low points limit and reduced number of teams. To allow them to take riders at a whim from Belle Vue, Kent, Leicester or Armadale would be ludicrous, especially since those teams were blocked from entering the Trophy. They weren't blocked. The standalone clubs understandably wanted more meetings whilst Belle Vue, Kent, Leicester and Armadale obviously have PL/CL fixtures that take priority and couldn't fit in the extra meetings. The U21 qualifiers and the Riders Championship/Fours/Pairs also went to Mildenhall, Plymouth and IOW to give them the extra meetings they wanted. I'm sure those 3 would be happy to have Newcastle included as well 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 22 hours ago, PotteringAround said: This Newcastle late bid seems very strange and should be turned down. If they wanted to join the NDL why weren't they at the AGM? To allow someone to join at this stage after the AGM is done and dusted, and teams have been built, would be crazy. It sets a dangerous precedent for future years. Also. The Trophy is for standalone clubs only (remember Belle Vue, Leicester, Armadale and Kent weren't allowed to enter the trophy). If Newcastle wanted to join anything, it should be the NDL (and should have been done at the AGM). Finally if Newcastle were allowed into the trophy (and they shouldn't be), surely they would have to sign 7 riders from the large number of riders who have been frozen out of the NDL by the low points limit and reduced number of teams. To allow them to take riders at a whim from Belle Vue, Kent, Leicester or Armadale would be ludicrous, especially since those teams were blocked from entering the Trophy. I don't think Belle Vue, Leicester, Kent & Armadale were blocked from entering the NT they only wanted 6 home matches, anyone wanting more home matches could have entered the Trophy I'd bet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 22 hours ago, PotteringAround said: This Newcastle late bid seems very strange and should be turned down. If they wanted to join the NDL why weren't they at the AGM? To allow someone to join at this stage after the AGM is done and dusted, and teams have been built, would be crazy. It sets a dangerous precedent for future years. Also. The Trophy is for standalone clubs only (remember Belle Vue, Leicester, Armadale and Kent weren't allowed to enter the trophy). If Newcastle wanted to join anything, it should be the NDL (and should have been done at the AGM). Finally if Newcastle were allowed into the trophy (and they shouldn't be), surely they would have to sign 7 riders from the large number of riders who have been frozen out of the NDL by the low points limit and reduced number of teams. To allow them to take riders at a whim from Belle Vue, Kent, Leicester or Armadale would be ludicrous, especially since those teams were blocked from entering the Trophy. 1) if a club joins after the AGM they have to follow same rules & could only pick riders not already signed up, this would not hinder any other club as they would have already signed up the best riders available! 2) If there's a large number of riders frozen out from the NL, why not allow another team! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Its a venture to get Joe Alcock out on track funded by Tattum and does have a minor indication if NDL racing is viable however if it is a team built of scraps it will be respectable but unlikely to be victorious. It could be used to give some of the local youngsters a spin and see what level they are truly at? Its certainly a benefit for the standalone clubs but its certainly some mileage for the Gems side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 May be Newcastle are thinking of the future and hope that having one foot in the NL gives them something to fall back on, if their Championship campaign fails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 1:13 AM, szkocjasid said: In the past, teams who had only entered the National Trophy (Swindon / Cradley) were able to sign any rider not racing in the Trophy, so if nothing's changed riders from Leicester, Belle Vue, Armadale and Kent could sign for the Gems! Not so. Kemp could have ridden in the NT final for either Cradley or Mildenhall! Cradley also had Bowtell, Perks & Edwards in the team all of who were already in the competition with their NL teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, flipper11 said: Not so. Kemp could have ridden in the NT final for either Cradley or Mildenhall! Cradley also had Bowtell, Perks & Edwards in the team all of who were already in the competition with their NL teams. You're right, as Cradley were in the Northern group, they could sign riders from the southern group! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, GiveusaB said: May be Newcastle are thinking of the future and hope that having one foot in the NL gives them something to fall back on, if their Championship campaign fails? I don't think that is the way they are thinking at all. They are giving competitive racing to the likes of Josh Embleton, Archie Freeman, and Danny Smith, rather than just giving them the Northern Junior League to be involved in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, StevePark said: I don't think that is the way they are thinking at all. They are giving competitive racing to the likes of Josh Embleton, Archie Freeman, and Danny Smith, rather than just giving them the Northern Junior League to be involved in. Personally feel that an MDL team would be more suitable this season? Surely it's too early for Danny Smith, and maybe half a year or so too early for Archie also... If Belle Vue are in the MDL why not Newcastle? An MDL squad of Kieran Douglas, Josh Embleton, Joe Alcock, Archie Freeman and Danny Smith would be good... Spread out the trips to the IOW and Plymout between them!! Would also really like to see Jamie Halder get one of the spots as it's one of the crimes of the century that's he's unable to find a team place Edited January 13, 2020 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Dandelion said: Personally feel that an MDL team would be more suitable this season? Surely it's too early for Danny Smith, and maybe half a year or so too early for Archie also... If Belle Vue are in the MDL why not Newcastle? An MDL squad of Kieran Douglas, Josh Embleton, Joe Alcock, Archie Freeman and Danny Smith would be good... Spread out the trips to the IOW and Plymout between them!! Would also really like to see Jamie Halder get one of the spots as it's one of the crimes of the century that's he's unable to find a team place Newcastle would be in the Northern Junior League ( and probably still will be), not the Midland Development League. I believe Archie is moving up to 500cc full time from now on and Danny could be following suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Not sure of the NJL rules but MDL used to be no more than 1 rider over 3.00 average in a side and no higher than 5.00 average (actually it used to be not higher than 4.00 and no more than 50 NL meetings but think that has been dropped). That said on reputation and known ability that would be a good MDL side if they were to enter and the best way to strengthen the sport is to make the base level tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsy29 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Not sure of the NJL rules but MDL used to be no more than 1 rider over 3.00 average in a side and no higher than 5.00 average (actually it used to be not higher than 4.00 and no more than 50 NL meetings but think that has been dropped). That said on reputation and known ability that would be a good MDL side if they were to enter and the best way to strengthen the sport is to make the base level tougher. At present NJL rules are no one with a NDL average above 3 can ride and only one NDL rider per pair of 500cc at any one time. Don't forget NJL only has 2x 500cc riders where as MDL has 4. So say Archie hits the ground running and gains a 5 point NDL average by the end of the season. That is fine for this season ( as Leon Flint did a couple of seasons back ) as he started with only a 3 but next season he would be ineligible. Although I would have to double check with regards to NDL Trophy. If say Newcastle brought in Kieran Douglas to ride ( just a name who rode in NDL last season who didn't gain a 3 point average ) this would be fine to ride with Archie until he gained a NDL place then it would not be allowed ( as Berwick did last season when using Kieran Douglas and Harry McGurk who both had NDL team places. Only 1 of them rode at any one time). Hope that sort of makes sense. The NJL have their AGM at the beginning of February so any changes will be made public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Parsy29 said: At present NJL rules are no one with a NDL average above 3 can ride and only one NDL rider per pair of 500cc at any one time. Don't forget NJL only has 2x 500cc riders where as MDL has 4. So say Archie hits the ground running and gains a 5 point NDL average by the end of the season. That is fine for this season ( as Leon Flint did a couple of seasons back ) as he started with only a 3 but next season he would be ineligible. Although I would have to double check with regards to NDL Trophy. If say Newcastle brought in Kieran Douglas to ride ( just a name who rode in NDL last season who didn't gain a 3 point average ) this would be fine to ride with Archie until he gained a NDL place then it would not be allowed ( as Berwick did last season when using Kieran Douglas and Harry McGurk who both had NDL team places. Only 1 of them rode at any one time). Hope that sort of makes sense. The NJL have their AGM at the beginning of February so any changes will be made public. I think it is 4.00 Gav. I think when we made that decision a few years ago we were thinking that 3.99 was permissible in the NJL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsy29 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Tsunami said: I think it is 4.00 Gav. I think when we made that decision a few years ago we were thinking that 3.99 was permissible in the NJL. You are correct Dave my mistake. cheers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Newcastle Diamonds Official now launched on YouTube. Please subscribe!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Confirmed that the Gems are in the NL Trophy. First signing Archie Freeman: http://www.newcastlediamonds.co/news/article.asp?id=101074 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Absolutely brilliant news for Archie Would imagine David Wallinger will get one of the places considering all of his liking and sharing of all things Newcastle on Facebook... And his brilliant guest appearance for us last season in the CL... David Wallinger, Archie Freeman, Joe Alcock, Josh Embleton and Jamie Halder are all a must imo... Would like to see Kieran Douglas and a big number 1 to finish the team off... Might be a pretty bad team tbh, but it doesn't matter, it's all brilliant experience for them, and you never know... Some of them might kick on big time 1 15.31 2 Joe Alcock 4.36 3 Josh Embleton 4.83 4 Jamie Halder 4.63 5 David Wallinger 3.87 6 Kieran Douglas 3.00 7 Archie Freeman 3.00 I know Max isn't eligible... But it'd be great to see him spearhead that team... All fairly local too... Probably Kieran the least local George Rothery imo deserves a team place somewhere too... But I imagine it will be at Armadale if anywhere Edited January 16, 2020 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binman Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Kieran Douglas is from near Berwick looking at his NJL match results he can ride Necwstle ok . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Dandelion said: Absolutely brilliant news for Archie Would imagine David Wallinger will get one of the places considering all of his liking and sharing of all things Newcastle on Facebook... And his brilliant guest appearance for us last season in the CL... David Wallinger, Archie Freeman, Joe Alcock, Josh Embleton and Jamie Halder are all a must imo... Would like to see Kieran Douglas and a big number 1 to finish the team off... Might be a pretty bad team tbh, but it doesn't matter, it's all brilliant experience for them, and you never know... Some of them might kick on big time 1 15.31 2 Joe Alcock 4.36 3 Josh Embleton 4.83 4 Jamie Halder 4.63 5 David Wallinger 3.87 6 Kieran Douglas 3.00 7 Archie Freeman 3.00 I know Max isn't eligible... But it'd be great to see him spearhead that team... All fairly local too... Probably Kieran the least local George Rothery imo deserves a team place somewhere too... But I imagine it will be at Armadale if anywhere Max Clegg IS eligible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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