cinderfella Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Catch Me If You Can said: Am sure Mr Hancock will have the answers !!! There is every chance we be no further forward come 2021 season. Wouldn't it be great if Grin had a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 9 hours ago, greyhoundp said: I for one wont be watching Speedway on a cold/damp night in November. Funny then how football and rugby are able to run right through the winter if it's the cold and damp that matters. Of course their playing surfaces aren't so affected by the weather but I am hearing here is several people complaining that November will be too cold which doesn't seem to affect the followers of other sports. Maybe speedway fans are more delicate? It's not as if it's proposed as a regular thing, just one way to compromise in a difficult situation. I just feel for the Glasgow supporters who are now facing over an 18 month break in racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Also ice can happen in November ( or even October as Workington found when having last meeting of h18tory season called off ) making it impossible to run speedway or prepare a track, I think the best thing that could happen is call off the 2020 season, run with the same riders, if possible in 2021. If any promotion want to run speedway maybe try a one off league with whoever is brave enough to run, or run challenge fixtures. As I don't think Glasgow will be the only ones not running in 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, cinderfella said: Wouldn't it be great if Grin had a solution? To be far, the 1metre distance is definitely on the cards. It was discussed at a daily broadcast at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 7 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Funny then how football and rugby are able to run right through the winter if it's the cold and damp that matters. Of course their playing surfaces aren't so affected by the weather but I am hearing here is several people complaining that November will be too cold which doesn't seem to affect the followers of other sports. Maybe speedway fans are more delicate? It's not as if it's proposed as a regular thing, just one way to compromise in a difficult situation. Because in football and rugby you have 80 - 90 minutes of action to watch, in speedway you have about 15 minutes and around 90 minutes standing around doing nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, KEITH M said: Because in football and rugby you have 80 - 90 minutes of action to watch, in speedway you have about 15 minutes and around 90 minutes standing around doing nothing Whilst understanding your point, that's not correct. Football is 55-60 minutes Rugby Union is around 35 minutes Edited June 3, 2020 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, KEITH M said: Because in football and rugby you have 80 - 90 minutes of action to watch, in speedway you have about 15 minutes and around 90 minutes standing around doing nothing And at most football and rugby matches you are stood shoulder to shoulder, or sat next to, another human being, meaning body heat is shared.... At a lot of Speedway meetings you would be stood in splendid isolation or have a row (or even a block) of seats to yourself.. No issues with social distancing though which can only be a positive... Let's be honest, the sport struggles to get a big following in June, July and August, every year, so getting one in November will be a big challenge, however as November would probably be play off time, maybe that would entice a decent following away from their warm armchairs? And keeping the league to one home and one away, should mean most clubs are in with a play off chance through the often equally as cold October. The last thing any club would want is a few 'dead rubbers' on cold and miserable evenings as that could decimate the fan base on those nights... For me, if due to non availability of riders, you end up with contrived septets across the sport, which will seriously undermine any competition, added to the fact many say they lose considerable amounts of money every season.. Maybe it would just be better to bank the cash they usually lose and use it to market the club to come back stronger next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 hours ago, cinderfella said: Wouldn't it be great if Grin had a solution? My goodness you spot on! I not particularly politically minded but the man does not have much going for him! His predecessor Mr Hunt does not have a high opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Funny then how football and rugby are able to run right through the winter if it's the cold and damp that matters. Football and rugby fans are on average a lot younger and therefore hardier than the average speedway fan. A point forgotten too is that a good many speedway fans are over 70 and therefore still in the "clinically vulnerable" category when it comes to COVID-19. At some places the clinically vulnerable make up the majority of the fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 4 hours ago, mikebv said: And at most football and rugby matches you are stood shoulder to shoulder, or sat next to, another human being, meaning body heat is shared.... At a lot of Speedway meetings you would be stood in splendid isolation or have a row (or even a block) of seats to yourself.. No issues with social distancing though which can only be a positive... Let's be honest, the sport struggles to get a big following in June, July and August, every year, so getting one in November will be a big challenge, however as November would probably be play off time, maybe that would entice a decent following away from their warm armchairs? And keeping the league to one home and one away, should mean most clubs are in with a play off chance through the often equally as cold October. The last thing any club would want is a few 'dead rubbers' on cold and miserable evenings as that could decimate the fan base on those nights... For me, if due to non availability of riders, you end up with contrived septets across the sport, which will seriously undermine any competition, added to the fact many say they lose considerable amounts of money every season.. Maybe it would just be better to bank the cash they usually lose and use it to market the club to come back stronger next year? There would not be a problem arriving at the stadiums as people stagger there arrivals. Spacing can be organised in the stadiums. The problem comes when the majority of the spectators leave en masse after the meeitings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Very smart and sensible decision by The Glasgow owner. Other clubs should be realistic and honest and write off this year. To pretend that meaningful speedway will take place this year is totally ridiculous. It is farcical to think that speedway will run, even behind closed doors, as it would be financial madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Speedtiger said: Very smart and sensible decision by The Glasgow owner. Other clubs should be realistic and honest and write off this year. To pretend that meaningful speedway will take place this year is totally ridiculous. It is farcical to think that speedway will run, even behind closed doors, as it would be financial madness. Is it? Surely they should come to a decision together and come out with a statement regarding the season that applies to all clubs. What we will get, instead, is clubs dropping out one-by-one, which isn't a good way to present things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 I know this may sound strange, but can Glasgow be punished for not completing the season? Technically the season started as we had the Ben Fund, although I know that no league speedway has taken place. Personally I agree with Glasgow in what they have done, but we are talking about the BSPA here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 I'm hoping for a month of open meetings at Redcar during Sept/Oct 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Biffa said: I know this may sound strange, but can Glasgow be punished for not completing the season? Technically the season started as we had the Ben Fund, although I know that no league speedway has taken place. Personally I agree with Glasgow in what they have done, but we are talking about the BSPA here! I would doubt it very much, anyway there will be others who call their 2020 season early and concentrate on 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, Grachan said: Is it? Surely they should come to a decision together and come out with a statement regarding the season that applies to all clubs. What we will get, instead, is clubs dropping out one-by-one, which isn't a good way to present things. 22 minutes ago, Biffa said: I know this may sound strange, but can Glasgow be punished for not completing the season? Technically the season started as we had the Ben Fund, although I know that no league speedway has taken place. Personally I agree with Glasgow in what they have done, but we are talking about the BSPA here! Can't see Glasgow being punished for taking a sensible decision. If The BSPA/SCB did punish Glasgow would they then have to punish the likes of Jason Doyle, who by electing to ride in Poland and ruling himself out of British Speedway, broke his contract with Swindon? This season should just be written off and if teams want to race or put on meetings, provided they can be done safely, fine but under no circumstances should Glasgow or any other club electing not to compete be discriminated against come 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Biffa said: I know this may sound strange, but can Glasgow be punished for not completing the season? Technically the season started as we had the Ben Fund, although I know that no league speedway has taken place. Personally I agree with Glasgow in what they have done, but we are talking about the BSPA here! In a word .NO. No Team will complete the fixture list issued for this season. Edited June 3, 2020 by Fromafar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ch958 said: I'm hoping for a month of open meetings at Redcar during Sept/Oct Wishful thinking. I doubt any speedway club will have the means to facilitate what will most likely be staggered arrival and departure, the means to cleanse facilities on site constantly etc and so on will likely be changed. I would assume most clubs will have to spend before they can have, even for speedway, a restricted crowd attend. A gathering in a stadium will be seen as a hell of a lot different to people gathering at a beach. When even football clubs in Scotland are talking about virtual season passes it’s time to let it go that people will be attending for a while. Speedway isn’t going to be bent over for just because few people go. Even ignoring all that it will reach a stage this year when riders will be asking what the point in racing is, a couple of open meetings? It’s a battle enough getting most to attend them during a regular season, it would cost most of them money to risk injury in a year when they have had no racing income. Edited June 3, 2020 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said: Even ignoring all that it will reach a stage this year when riders will be asking what the point in racing is, a couple of open meetings? It’s a battle enough getting most to attend them during a regular season, it would cost most of them money to risk injury in a year when they have had no racing income. Good point. Speedway engines being what they are can blow up at anytime and without other meetings and regular income guaranteed only the riders with top level sponsorship would surely consider 'open' meetings. Take into account the fact that social distancing as regards who can travel together will still be in place, having a mechanic having to travel separately will just add to the expense.that clubs It's interesting we hear through BSPA that clubs are still hopeful of meetings but it would be interesting to hear what riders themselves actually think without the risk of prejudicing their careers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, cinderfella said: Good point. Speedway engines being what they are can blow up at anytime and without other meetings and regular income guaranteed only the riders with top level sponsorship would surely consider 'open' meetings.Take into account the fact that social distancing as regards who can travel together will still be in place, having a mechanic having to travel separately will just add to the expense.that clubs It's interesting we hear through BSPA that clubs are still hopeful of meetings but it would be interesting to hear what riders themselves actually think without the risk of prejudicing their careers? Seems some are ignoring the rule to be able to so work. 3 guys working on property next to me have travelled for 4 days from Deby to near Chester all in the front of a 3 seater van! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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