bigcatdiary Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Tsunami said: Not the time for a breakaway as the change over would be quite damaging to the business's and the sport. Far better to change the management of the BSPL in an amicable manner. No point in making the sport unmanagible during a season cos that really would see the end of UK speedway. Been tried several times over the last few decades and how many of those that tried still remain as Promoters. It takes three years to even get a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Been tried several times over the last few decades and how many of those that tried still remain as Promoters. It takes three years to even get a vote. Unless you join the NDL then you can call the shots from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Unless you join the NDL then you can call the shots from the start. What like the IOW did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: What like the IOW did. If IOW had called the shots, been allowed to call a shot or even have a say how things are run they would still be in the league (they also wouldn't have a tripe league record). I think it more that the new shot callers didn't fancy a long trip down south that wasn't part of a double header. To clarify this has nothing to do with the good folk at Redcar, they are under the same tyrannical rule as the rest. Edited June 14, 2021 by Sings4Speedway missed a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Tsunami said: Not the time for a breakaway as the change over would be quite damaging to the business's and the sport. Far better to change the management of the BSPL in an amicable manner. No point in making the sport unmanageable during a season cos that really would see the end of UK speedway. Whist I fully agree with your sentiments Dave and think you are correct... the only issue I see with a change in management is you change with like for like people with the same blinkered mind-set; we have had several changes in management just in the last 10 years but nothing has changed unfortunately; as it still ends up with the self interest mentality and protectionist values... the whole of Speedway needs to change not just the Management Committee of the BSPL They need to implement a set of rules and stick with them instead of abdicating authority everyone needs to sign up to a charter to say that they will stick to them with the best interests of the sport as the basis and work for the common good of all concerned and if promotions cant do that then the punishments need to be severe and I mean severe... oh hang on European Football Super League on a miniature scale hrmmm and what made that lot change People Power and what will make this lot change; nothing because the lunatics are running the Asylum and they are all locked in safe and secure... But when its gone or run into the ground then what; they will cry and say people/fans didn't support it and folk on here will say we told you so... Back to the usual impasse Regards THJ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Whist I fully agree with your sentiments Dave and think you are correct... the only issue I see with a change in management is you change with like for like people with the same blinkered mind-set; we have had several changes in management just in the last 10 years but nothing has changed unfortunately; as it still ends up with the self interest mentality and protectionist values... the whole of Speedway needs to change not just the Management Committee of the BSPL They need to implement a set of rules and stick with them instead of abdicating authority everyone needs to sign up to a charter to say that they will stick to them with the best interests of the sport as the basis and work for the common good of all concerned and if promotions cant do that then the punishments need to be severe and I mean severe... oh hang on European Football Super League on a miniature scale hrmmm and what made that lot change People Power and what will make this lot change; nothing because the lunatics are running the Asylum and they are all locked in safe and secure... But when its gone or run into the ground then what; they will cry and say people/fans didn't support it and folk on here will say we told you so... Back to the usual impasse Regards THJ Not sure that's true THJ. There's a great deal of difference between the likes of Barry Bishop, Jittendra Duffil and Adrian Smith and certain other promoters that could be mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: Not sure that's true THJ. There's a great deal of difference between the likes of Barry Bishop, Jittendra Duffil and Adrian Smith and certain other promoters that could be mentioned. Need to read it again HT and I totally agree there is a great deal of difference between the guys you mention and others as I did say "like for like" changes on the management committee... does the mafia ever give up their control... the good guys; the guys who do the right thing dont get a look in unfortunately then they get disallusioned and leave the sport or take a back seat and their enthusiasm ideas and drive are lost to the sport... Regards THJ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Rathbone V Godfrey being a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janice Jackson Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 Please visit our website for a statement from Redcar Agilia Bears co-promoter Jitendra Duffill https://buff.ly/3gBqjtJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 Can fully understand Jitendras decision, if it’s affecting his mental health and personal life he has to do what’s best for him. He has been a fantastic “face” of Redcar Speedway over the last few years and the improvements to the club, both on and off the track, are a testament to all his hard work. Good luck and thank you. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Excellent response from Ben to the 'statement' in SS... Ben Duffill 37 m · Via the Speedway Star, a ‘spokesman’ for SCB has issued a response to my query as to why the recent Redcar V Birmingham KO Cup match was different to the Redcar V Glasgow (01.06.17) and Coventry V Rye House (11.09.15) matches. Both of those matches were abandoned and declared before heat 10, whereas the KO Cup match was not. I have asked several times via email, why those matches were declared, contrary to the SCB’s own rule book (SCB reg 011.1.23). I was NOT given a reason - I was told that a meeting can only be declared before heat 10 if the result is already ‘mathematically certain’, with no other explanation. I wouldn’t usually take to social media to do this, but feel I have no other option as I didn’t get the decency of a reply to my question by email - instead I had to read it in the Speedway Star this morning. Reading the ‘spokesman’s’ response, he states that the 2 matches I have used as an example, were ‘beyond doubt mathematically’! It’s written for us all to read, but is completely untrue. If you see the photos attached to this post, you will see that NEITHER of those results were mathematically beyond doubt. The opposition could have won by heat 15 in both examples (if they are using heat 10 for that analysis, then the KO Cup match result was beyond doubt too). In fact, the score difference was exactly the same (8 points) at the time of the abandonment in the Redcar V Glasgow match in 2017. Both matches were abandoned after Heat 9 - other than the fact that one was a KO Cup match, there is no difference whatsoever. The rule book does not state that a KO Cup match is treated differently to a league match either! (see attached reg 011.1.23). In this article, the SCB also state that the KO Cup match at Birmingham was not abandoned due to the condition of the track - the fact that the match was delayed for over an hour due to the remedial track work means that it WAS directly responsible. The match would never have reached curfew otherwise - the SCB have not acknowledged this in their statement. It’s a shame this explanation wasn’t given to me personally by our governing body when I requested it, but then again, it’s a very weak and untrue explanation. The evidence is attached for all to see. These decisions ARE inconsistent, and our treatment in this situation is disrespectful and unfair. Precedents were set I’m afraid and this explanation is not fooling me, or Redcar Speedway - we deserve better. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Bear_Bottom said: Excellent response from Ben to the 'statement' in SS... Ben Duffill 37 m · Via the Speedway Star, a ‘spokesman’ for SCB has issued a response to my query as to why the recent Redcar V Birmingham KO Cup match was different to the Redcar V Glasgow (01.06.17) and Coventry V Rye House (11.09.15) matches. Both of those matches were abandoned and declared before heat 10, whereas the KO Cup match was not. I have asked several times via email, why those matches were declared, contrary to the SCB’s own rule book (SCB reg 011.1.23). I was NOT given a reason - I was told that a meeting can only be declared before heat 10 if the result is already ‘mathematically certain’, with no other explanation. I wouldn’t usually take to social media to do this, but feel I have no other option as I didn’t get the decency of a reply to my question by email - instead I had to read it in the Speedway Star this morning. Reading the ‘spokesman’s’ response, he states that the 2 matches I have used as an example, were ‘beyond doubt mathematically’! It’s written for us all to read, but is completely untrue. If you see the photos attached to this post, you will see that NEITHER of those results were mathematically beyond doubt. The opposition could have won by heat 15 in both examples (if they are using heat 10 for that analysis, then the KO Cup match result was beyond doubt too). In fact, the score difference was exactly the same (8 points) at the time of the abandonment in the Redcar V Glasgow match in 2017. Both matches were abandoned after Heat 9 - other than the fact that one was a KO Cup match, there is no difference whatsoever. The rule book does not state that a KO Cup match is treated differently to a league match either! (see attached reg 011.1.23). In this article, the SCB also state that the KO Cup match at Birmingham was not abandoned due to the condition of the track - the fact that the match was delayed for over an hour due to the remedial track work means that it WAS directly responsible. The match would never have reached curfew otherwise - the SCB have not acknowledged this in their statement. It’s a shame this explanation wasn’t given to me personally by our governing body when I requested it, but then again, it’s a very weak and untrue explanation. The evidence is attached for all to see. These decisions ARE inconsistent, and our treatment in this situation is disrespectful and unfair. Precedents were set I’m afraid and this explanation is not fooling me, or Redcar Speedway - we deserve better. Hope Ben Duffil passes his response on to Speedway Star for publication in order to set the record straight and expose this Speedway Control Bureau chicanery. Edited June 24, 2021 by cyclone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 1, 2021 Report Share Posted July 1, 2021 Congratulations to Redcar on being awarded the British Under-21 Final. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 6/24/2021 at 11:45 PM, cyclone said: Hope Ben Duffil passes his response on to Speedway Star for publication in order to set the record straight and expose this Speedway Control Bureau chicanery. The Star will not print anything controversial that criticises the BSPL or the SCB , they won’t bite the hand that feeds them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 If we want to be challenging for the play offs. Serjeant needs to be replaced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, mikebaker said: If we want to be challenging for the play offs. Serjeant needs to be replaced. Agree. The 'promising 28 year old' should never have been signed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 7/2/2021 at 11:51 AM, Ringitsneck said: The Star will not print anything controversial that criticises the BSPL or the SCB , they won’t bite the hand that feeds them. Bring back the old Speedway Mail! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, mikebaker said: If we want to be challenging for the play offs. Serjeant needs to be replaced. Who out there is stronger though? No point dropping a rider if you can't strengthen up! Edited July 10, 2021 by szkocjasid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Bellers101 said: Agree. The 'promising 28 year old' should never have been signed! Who would you have signed instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Another blow to the Bears, Jordan Jenkins our for a while with a broken wrist. Only able to replace with a 2* rising star and he’s been riding better than that. Missing 3 of your starting 7 is not ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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