ruckerroo Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 It looks like there maybe more teams than before next yr, what would be a suitable average to build a championship side too ,personally last yrs was a bit miserly , if it is going to be open house to 3-4 other teams then should it be 38, 40, 42.5 or 45 limit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Think it has to be 40 or 42.5. Need the ability to bring in a few riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, poolebolton said: Think it has to be 40 or 42.5. Need the ability to bring in a few riders. Agree and set it for at least 2 seasons, no faffing about at the end of next season making team planning easier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, gazzac said: Agree and set it for at least 2 seasons, no faffing about at the end of next season making team planning easier. Agree. Just from looking at the averages. A lot of clubs 2/2.5 points over the limit. 42.5 allows big hitters to come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, poolebolton said: Agree. Just from looking at the averages. A lot of clubs 2/2.5 points over the limit. 42.5 allows big hitters to come in. There we are then, sorted inside an hour, 42.5 limit, set for 2 seasons, done and dusted, disregarding how many teams Will never happen though, far too simple . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 The 2 reserves need to be riders from the NL if that league is going to have any relevance in the future. The 1-5 should only have 2 riders doubling up so the PL needs to sort itself out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, GWC said: The 2 reserves need to be riders from the NL if that league is going to have any relevance in the future. The 1-5 should only have 2 riders doubling up so the PL needs to sort itself out. not sure they need to be National League but would like to see British and under-21 at reserve - which may not be quite the same. They do not have to be protected for the season - ie they can move up into the main body of the team - but personally I would allow them to stay at six and seven all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Ahh , the Steve Boxall syndrome . didnt the powers that be score a home goal with that rule ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, George Dodds said: not sure they need to be National League but would like to see British and under-21 at reserve - which may not be quite the same. They do not have to be protected for the season - ie they can move up into the main body of the team - but personally I would allow them to stay at six and seven all season. 1000% agree Reserves should have to be British, under age 21 and should stay at reserve all season, with two protected heats where they only face their opposing reserves Edited October 17, 2019 by the hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 8 hours ago, jenga said: Ahh , the Steve Boxall syndrome . didnt the powers that be score a home goal with that rule ? 7 hours ago, the hobbit said: 1000% agree Reserves should have to be British, under age 21 and should stay at reserve all season, with two protected heats where they only face their opposing reserves A nice idea in principle , but as Jenga alluded to , the authorities dont let that happen . Cast your mind back to 2005 .Lower ranked riders were rated A ,B and C . You could choose your reserves to be an A and a C or have two B rated riders . They were to stay at reserve all season . Rye House's A reserve was Steve Boxall . Who improved from the previous season immensely and started banging in double figure scores home and away as Rye House swept all before them . Similarly at a slightly less productive level Jon Armstrong was doing the same at either Mildenhall or Stoke ( I canny remember which ) . Mid season the authorities decided this couldn't be allowed to continue , so both Boxall and Armstrong were ordered into the main body of their respective teams . So it's a nice idea , but as soon as a reserve starts getting heat leader scores, it gets changed . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 It was pretty gut wrenching at the time as Rye had signed Jamie Courtney who had to go into the team and then use a Raider as the other reserve. Stuart Robson gets injured then Courtney then Luke Bowen but still they enforced Boxall to move into the team. Still the following year Rye signed Woffinden and he definitely wouldn’t have been allowed to stay as a reserve all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/17/2019 at 5:55 PM, the hobbit said: 1000% agree Reserves should have to be British, under age 21 and should stay at reserve all season, with two protected heats where they only face their opposing reserves I wouldn’t want that if I were you, it was one of the bad points of the Elite League draft reserve system. It gave the teams with the best three or four reserves a massive advantage. Newman and Garrity cleaned up. Either they’ll be good enough to move into the top five, like Anders Rowe, or they’ll stay at reserve or drop back down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DC2 said: I wouldn’t want that if I were you, it was one of the bad points of the Elite League draft reserve system. It gave the teams with the best three or four reserves a massive advantage. Newman and Garrity cleaned up. Either they’ll be good enough to move into the top five, like Anders Rowe, or they’ll stay at reserve or drop back down. Did Maksym Drabik not finish in the top 10 Polish Elite league averages (for Wroclaw) this season. He was at reserve all season. Could make it that only Brits can be at reserve during the season?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 36 minutes ago, sparks123 said: Did Maksym Drabik not finish in the top 10 Polish Elite league averages (for Wroclaw) this season. He was at reserve all season. Could make it that only Brits can be at reserve during the season?. Yes, daft, isn’t it. This year’s two pointers have shown they don’t need protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 20 hours ago, Paulco said: A nice idea in principle , but as Jenga alluded to , the authorities dont let that happen . Cast your mind back to 2005 .Lower ranked riders were rated A ,B and C . You could choose your reserves to be an A and a C or have two B rated riders . They were to stay at reserve all season . Rye House's A reserve was Steve Boxall . Who improved from the previous season immensely and started banging in double figure scores home and away as Rye House swept all before them . Similarly at a slightly less productive level Jon Armstrong was doing the same at either Mildenhall or Stoke ( I canny remember which ) . Mid season the authorities decided this couldn't be allowed to continue , so both Boxall and Armstrong were ordered into the main body of their respective teams . So it's a nice idea , but as soon as a reserve starts getting heat leader scores, it gets changed . 2006 Paul. I remember that season very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Bagpuss said: 2006 Paul. I remember that season very well Get to my age and the seasons from years ago merge into one lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Paulco said: Get to my age and the seasons from years ago merge into one lol Only remember as Lynn won the treble and it was Mildy’s first season back in the second division, went to nearly all of their home meetings that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 have we forgotten that the automatic right to travel to and work in the UK will soon be gone. In football you have to prove so many international caps i believe for non EU players so the likes of Iverson would be ok but what about others? Has this even been considered? What are the chances of work permits for second string and reserve foreigners while GB riders are unemployed? It would change the face of UK speedway completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Only remember as Lynn won the treble and it was Mildy’s first season back in the second division, went to nearly all of their home meetings that year. Aye you were a formidable outfit that year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, ch958 said: have we forgotten that the automatic right to travel to and work in the UK will soon be gone. In football you have to prove so many international caps i believe for non EU players so the likes of Iverson would be ok but what about others? Has this even been considered? What are the chances of work permits for second string and reserve foreigners while GB riders are unemployed? It would change the face of UK speedway completely. We will cope regardless. Britain existed long before the European Union and will do so long after leaving it. I wouldnt doubt there would be a deal with Australia and New Zealand to allow certain trades to come here and work. Time will tell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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