djr Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, iris123 said: And you have to sell that ‘but further away’ to fans. Today football is generally the top sport and yet you would want those fans out at a disadvantage to a lesser sport ? Why should they then pay good money for a poor view ? It just doesn’t work like that anymore. People expect a good stadium with a good view and a certain standard of facility nowadays like decent toilets Doesn’t sound like a good business strategy to give potentially your main source of income the poor standards, when probably just down the road another club is offering something better If you buy a cheap ticket at any big sports stadium , you end up watching a long way from the pitch/circuit , yet people still buy these tickets that are " a bit further away" the first time I went to Cardiff Speedway GP , I was in one of the £20 seats and it did feel like watching speedway from the window of an aeroplane , but I enjoyed it and thought to myself that this is the same view that a lot of people pay MORE to see a sold out big Rugby match. I have been to Football & Ruby matches in big stadiums and you are often so far away from the pitch you cant make out who individual players are , so why do people keep coming back to these events if being " a bit further away " is a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, djr said: If you buy a cheap ticket at any big sports stadium , you end up watching a long way from the pitch/circuit , yet people still buy these tickets that are " a bit further away" the first time I went to Cardiff Speedway GP , I was in one of the £20 seats and it did feel like watching speedway from the window of an aeroplane , but I enjoyed it and thought to myself that this is the same view that a lot of people pay MORE to see a sold out big Rugby match. I have been to Football & Ruby matches in big stadiums and you are often so far away from the pitch you cant make out who individual players are , so why do people keep coming back to these events if being " a bit further away " is a problem Like you say they are cheap. You point out the problem yourself which I stated. The whole economics of it for someone running a sport. You can’t sell seats a bit further away for the same price someone down the road is selling seats right up near the action. If you are Arsenal or selling tickets for The Rolling Stones you can maybe get away with selling tickets with a poor view. But you also have far more tickets with a good view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, BWitcher said: New England Patriots. Superbowl. Just a small event. Do you like American Wrestling, too? Seriously, though, Superbowl. Edited November 9, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 hours ago, moxey63 said: Thought I'd lower my standards to be on equal ground. You just thought you would lie and show your normal double standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, moxey63 said: Do you like American Wrestling, too? What has that got to do with the fact that you claimed no respected sport would ever have such a system.. and I've shown you an example from one of the most watched sporting events in the world. As for 'American Wrestling' as you call it, that's a multi billion pound business so no idea why you keep linking it to speedway. Edited November 9, 2019 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: What has that got to do with the fact that you claimed no respected sport would ever have such a system.. and I've shown you an example from one of the most watched sporting events in the world. As for 'American Wrestling' as you call it, that's a multi billion pound business so no idea why you keep linking it to speedway. Do you watch it for all the ad breaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, BWitcher said: What has that got to do with the fact that you claimed no respected sport would ever have such a system.. and I've shown you an example from one of the most watched sporting events in the world. As for 'American Wrestling' as you call it, that's a multi billion pound business so no idea why you keep linking it to speedway. Don't give a toss about how much money it takes. They have tried to push it 40 years over here, and it's still a daft game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, moxey63 said: Do you watch it for all the ad breaks? The ad breaks where companies pay $5.1 to $5.3 MILLION for a 30 second advert you mean? Picking the event to try and score points from Moxey... again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, moxey63 said: Don't give a toss about how much money it takes. They have tried to push it 40 years over here, and it's still a daft game. That sells out Wembley every time, whether YOU think its a daft game is irrelevant to it's success. Or are you talking about 'American Wrestling' again... same argument applies, superbly promoted, billion dollar business, successful around the world. Edited November 9, 2019 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) It may be all about money to you, but are they proper sports. Maybe you just like popcorn. You also watch Ant & Dec, the Jungle and X-Factor, right? Edited November 9, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BWitcher said: The ad breaks where companies pay $5.1 to $5.3 MILLION for a 30 second advert you mean? Picking the event to try and score points from Moxey... again. Gee... you really like your popcorn! Do you wear those big spongy gloves? Do you think if speedway was pushed as much as American Wrestling and its sister sport, American Football, that it too could sell out Wembley? Edited November 9, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, moxey63 said: Gee... you really like your popcorn! Do you wear those big spongy gloves? Do you think if speedway was pushed as much as American Wrestling and its sister sport, American Football, that it too could sell out Wembley? I'll leave you to continue talking your nonsense again now. Occasionally you make good points... but then you let yourself down with garbage like this. You claimed no other credible sport would have playoffs.. you've been shown to be wrong. You claimed speedway was now at the level of 'American Wrestling'... if only it was. As for promotion, the sport could learn from both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I'll leave you to continue talking your nonsense again now. Occasionally you make good points... but then you let yourself down with garbage like this. You claimed no other credible sport would have playoffs.. you've been shown to be wrong. You claimed speedway was now at the level of 'American Wrestling'... if only it was. As for promotion, the sport could learn from both. OK, BWitcher, see you later! In my mind, I always make good points; in yours, you're always right. Edited November 9, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, moxey63 said: OK, BWitcher, see you later! In my mind, I always make good points; in yours, you're always right. And there lies the difference. I generally only speak up when I KNOW I am right. If I am shown to be wrong, I learn from it. You just talk drivel, get proven wrong and are too pig stubborn to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 22 hours ago, moxey63 said: I'll type slowly, so you understand. Other sports have Play-Offs but teams aren't encouraged by rules which allow them to... er... cheat. You were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 1:40 PM, moxey63 said: A serious sport would not need the pretence of keeping a season alive. Again you were shown to be wrong as there are many 'serious' sports which have play-offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: You were wrong. What other sports encourage rules which allow competitors to cheat? We all know of speedway riders dropping points purposely. But what other sports do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 18 hours ago, moxey63 said: Imagine it, if there would have been Play-Offs in Premiership football when Man City won the title by 20 points, and they'd lost in the Final by a dodgy penalty. Can understand why some sports don't even go there. VAR's bad enough. And you were given a perfect example from a very big sport. Then of course your gibberish comparing the success of speedway to 'American Wrestling' as if it's some sort of accurate comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, moxey63 said: What other sports encourage rules which allow competitors to cheat? We all know of speedway riders dropping points purposely. But what other sports do? You've already been told earlier in the thread. NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL.. all of them have rewarded the weakest teams in the standings and as such it was and is beneficial to finish lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BWitcher said: And you were given a perfect example from a very big sport. Then of course your gibberish comparing the success of speedway to 'American Wrestling' as if it's some sort of accurate comparison. I am not comparing the support American Wrestling attracts, I am comparing its rules and the belief of its competitors have on the audience. It might attract huge crowds, but they are mostly strange people who like watching beefy men pretending to be really fighting. Both sports - speedway and wrestling - are pretend sports. I am not talking about crowds they attract. Edited November 9, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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