SpeedyOne Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, ch958 said: i see Burscough FC are building a new ground. You wonder how thats possible on 3 figure crowds. It's possible because they're building the new ground on spare land at the side of their existing stadium, and selling their existing stadium for housing. The small space they're building in, and the close proximity of houses would presumably rule Speedway out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 hours ago, moxey63 said: Play-Off group matches are open to abuse. We all know teams have suffered mysterious engine failures early on to prove they need strengthening as their poor averages take a hit. The Play-Off Finals may attract added interest, but I doubt that compensates for reduced crowds over the course of the season for matches that either team can afford to lose most of the time. I mean, who can take seriously chasing a top-four place in a table of seven sides. More teams make the Play-Off semis than fail. Fans aren't daft. I have watched a team, which purposely tried not to win a match they could have finished top of the qualifying table by doing so. I think even winning the aggregate bonus point, as it were back then, would have seen them finish table winners. That one instance implies the qualifying matches are nothing more than padding out the season for seven months. Silly post .. fans wont watch a team anymore who's season is over by june without the play offs go for ..so the plays offs not only paid big in the final they also keep the crowds levels up during the season .. Old fans are daft if they have not figured that out yet . it's been explained over and over again when this kind of garbage is put on here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, orion said: Silly post ..fanswont watch a team anymore who's season is over by june without the play offs go for ..so the plays offs not only paid big in the final they also keep the crowds levels up during the season .. Old fans are daft if they have not figured that out yet .it's been explained over and over again when this kind of garbage is put on here A serious sport would not need the pretence of keeping a season alive. The league table matches are mugging you off, mate. I suppose it would be more believable if there was a serious effort to get relegation into speedway, then clubs wouldn't purposely drop points to fiddle their way into the last two weeks of the season. Perhaps an idea to keep short-sighted cult followers happy with speedway is to have every team seeded to the Play-Offs. Cut out the middle man and turn it into the boat race. Persuade every remaining fan that their side has a chance to win the Final, and that every match until then is just a nice warm-up. In fact, allow bouncy castles to introduce new fans who like bouncy castles. They might wonder what the sound of motorbikes is and people with badges filling in scoresheets. A lot of speedway fans since the Play-Offs were introduced, are merely the John Terry in Chelsea's Champions League win a few years back. They only turn up and wear the colours to be part of the glory. Edited November 8, 2019 by moxey63 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, orion said: fans wont watch a team anymore who's season is over by june without the play offs go for .. Does no one go to watch the sport, to get their enjoyment from the spectacle which is speedway racing, anymore? How attitudes have changed - it now seems it’s all about winning, rather than entertainment What was the draw when crowds were big? It was the sport, the thrills, the spills, even the smell, the characters - didn’t matter too much about the result, so long as the spectators got their money’s worth from watching the racing It didn’t even matter too much who the opposition was - every week, there was the speedway racing to watch and enjoy, that was the be all and end all, cheer on your favourites, boo the other team, but marvel at the spectacle they provided Where did it all go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Pyszny Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ch958 said: i see Burscough FC are building a new ground. You wonder how thats possible on 3 figure crowds. Wonder if anyone would ever think of saying 'leave room for a track round the outside - £1000 quid rent a week during the summer when there's no income'. Few miles outside of Liverpool - massive catchment area you wd think. Why would any football club want a speedway track round their pitch? They make viewing terrible for spectators. As a kid, I watched Halifax Town and Halifax Dukes at The Shay. The viewing for football was very poor, because of the speedway track, whose presence also resulted in the narrowest pitch in the Football League. Early and late in the football season, a film of dust covered every surface. Edited November 8, 2019 by Piotr Pyszny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Piotr Pyszny said: Why would any football club want a speedway track round their pitch? They make viewing terrible for spectators. As a kid, I watched Halifax Town and Halifax Dukes at The Shay. The viewing for football was very poor, because of the speedway track, whose presence also resulted in the narrowest pitch in the Football League. Early and late in the football season, a film of dust covered every surface. In an ideal world , every Sport would like to operate in a single-use stadium and not have to share with other sports. however if 2 or more Sports could use a stadium , it must make the finances better for everyone involved. I also cant see that it makes the viewing terrible , just a bit further away that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Pyszny Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, djr said: In an ideal world , every Sport would like to operate in a single-use stadium and not have to share with other sports. however if 2 or more Sports could use a stadium , it must make the finances better for everyone involved. I also cant see that it makes the viewing terrible , just a bit further away that's all. Believe me, at The Shay it was terrible. The distance from the pitch affected the atmosphere greatly. No problem at the speedway, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Midland Red said: Does no one go to watch the sport, to get their enjoyment from the spectacle which is speedway racing, anymore? How attitudes have changed - it now seems it’s all about winning, rather than entertainment What was the draw when crowds were big? It was the sport, the thrills, the spills, even the smell, the characters - didn’t matter too much about the result, so long as the spectators got their money’s worth from watching the racing It didn’t even matter too much who the opposition was - every week, there was the speedway racing to watch and enjoy, that was the be all and end all, cheer on your favourites, boo the other team, but marvel at the spectacle they provided Where did it all go wrong? That is so true. In the olden days, I used to do Sheffield (Thursday), Ellesmere Port (Friday) and Hyde Road (Saturday). It didn't matter who was racing, I just wanted to see a sport called speedway. It was more about the spectacle then, where now it's more about what team can con their way to a title. And fans are being fooled into thinking speedway is worthless unless you're winning. Edited November 8, 2019 by moxey63 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, moxey63 said: A serious sport would not need the pretence of keeping a season alive. What like nearly every other sport in the world .. like Football , Rugby and American football etc ? you need to come out of your time warp . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Midland Red said: Does no one go to watch the sport, to get their enjoyment from the spectacle which is speedway racing, anymore? How attitudes have changed - it now seems it’s all about winning, rather than entertainment What was the draw when crowds were big? It was the sport, the thrills, the spills, even the smell, the characters - didn’t matter too much about the result, so long as the spectators got their money’s worth from watching the racing It didn’t even matter too much who the opposition was - every week, there was the speedway racing to watch and enjoy, that was the be all and end all, cheer on your favourites, boo the other team, but marvel at the spectacle they provided Where did it all go wrong? Sadly attitudes have changed .. even when Swindon were garbage and had nothing to race for people would still go in big numbers . Great times indeed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, orion said: What like nearly every other sport in the world ..like Football , Rugby and American football etc ? you need to come out of your time warp . In football, you don't get sides purposely conceding goals so they can strengthen up. I wish you would stop comparing football to speedway. They used to be comparable, but now speedway is like that American Wrestling. The cult following speedway has right now is laughed at. I mean, the most glamorous side in two decades chooses to be relegated. Try telling that to a new supporter. Explain that Sheffield are replacing them despite not having even attempted the top flight since the Morans rode for them. Doomed to fail. Edited November 8, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, orion said: Sadly attitudes have changed ..even when Swindon were garbage and had nothing to race for people would still go in big numbers . Great times indeed Is that the same time warp I'm in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, moxey63 said: In football, you don't get sides purposely conceding goals so they can strengthen up. I wish you would stop comparing football to speedway. They used to be comparable, but now speedway is like that American Wrestling. The cult following speedway has right now is laughed at. I mean, the most glamorous side in two decades chooses to be relegated. Try telling that to a new supporter. Explain that Sheffield are replacing them despite not having even attempted the top flight since the Morans rode for them. Doomed to fail. ? you that other serious sports don't have play offs .. so as I said nearly all top sports do ..what are these other sports then ? as I have done before I could pick any sport and give a example of try telling a new supporter routine . Maybe a new football fan will be amazed that in the champions league that a team that is not champions can win it . Maybe a new cricket fan will be fits of laughter when finds out that when you are out on the video replay you can still be not out .. Edited November 8, 2019 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, orion said: ? you that other serious sports don't have play offs ..so as I said nearly all top sports do ..what are these other sports then ? I'll type slowly, so you understand. Other sports have Play-Offs but teams aren't encouraged by rules which allow them to... er... cheat. They don't drop points and lose matches to... er... allow them to strengthen their team further into the season. Other sports have Play-Offs... and they also have regularity in which the best sides remain in the top league, not choosing to drop down at the drop of a hat. Speedway isn't like other sports. Surely you know that? In the Premier League in football, where is the Play-Off? They have them further down, but teams usually want to come up and it isn't a pretence like when speedway has tried promotion/relegation platy-offs. Speedway is a different form of sport. In a way, it probably has less credit with non-speedway fans than at any time in the last 90 years. Other sports would be annoyed if you compared it with those. It would be like saying I look like George Clooney. Edited November 8, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, moxey63 said: I'll type slowly, so you understand. Other sports have Play-Offs but teams aren't encouraged by rules which allow them to... er... cheat. They don't drop points and lose matches to... er... allow them to strengthen their team further into the season. Other sports have Play-Offs... and they also have regularity in which the best sides remain in the top league, not choosing to drop down at the drop of a hat. Speedway isn't like other sports. Surely you know that? In the Premier League in football, where is the Play-Off? They have them further down, but teams usually want to come up and it isn't a pretence like when speedway has tried promotion/relegation platy-offs. Speedway is a different form of sport. In a way, it probably has less credit with non-speedway fans than at any time in the last 90 years. Other sports would be annoyed if you compared it with those. It would be like saying I look like George Clooney. You don't need to type slowly .. You said serious sports would not have play offs, not how they are run them . .. . it's was your own words .So as I keep asking you what are these other sports .. Edited November 8, 2019 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, moxey63 said: I'll type slowly, so you understand. Other sports have Play-Offs but teams aren't encouraged by rules which allow them to... er... cheat. They don't drop points and lose matches to... er... allow them to strengthen their team further into the season. Other sports have Play-Offs... and they also have regularity in which the best sides remain in the top league, not choosing to drop down at the drop of a hat. Speedway isn't like other sports. Surely you know that? In the Premier League in football, where is the Play-Off? They have them further down, but teams usually want to come up and it isn't a pretence like when speedway has tried promotion/relegation platy-offs. Speedway is a different form of sport. In a way, it probably has less credit with non-speedway fans than at any time in the last 90 years. Other sports would be annoyed if you compared it with those. It would be like saying I look like George Clooney. Several sports in the US over the past few years have started to see teams deliberately end their seasons the worst team in the league... 'Tanking' is the latest buzzword to describe what the teams are doing.... This then gives them one of the first draft picks for the next season, or the chance to pass up this opportunity and take several team improving players from a competitor and give them the pick instead, hence they write off one season to potentially improve the next.. Some even have written off several seasons to allow them to build up several of the better drafted players over a few years to help with longer term success.. However, the governing bodies of these sports are now discussing how best to deal legally with these teams suspected of 'tanking' as they feel that the integrity and credibility of their respective sports could be threatened by such antics, and are also acutely aware of possible impact to crowd numbers because of it.. British Speedway wouldn't take such action I would suggest as it's allowed to be a fundamental part of the sport.. Edited November 8, 2019 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, moxey63 said: I'll type slowly, so you understand. Other sports have Play-Offs but teams aren't encouraged by rules which allow them to... er... cheat. They don't drop points and lose matches to... er... allow them to strengthen their team further into the season. Can you identify for us which play off teams deliberately lost matches early in the 2019 season and specifically which matches are you referring to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, E I Addio said: Can you identify for us which play off teams deliberately lost matches early in the 2019 season and specifically which matches are you referring to ? I didn't say in 2019. In fact, I couldn't name two teams in 2019! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Imagine it, if there would have been Play-Offs in Premiership football when Man City won the title by 20 points, and they'd lost in the Final by a dodgy penalty. Can understand why some sports don't even go there. VAR's bad enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, moxey63 said: Imagine it, if there would have been Play-Offs in Premiership football when Man City won the title by 20 points, and they'd lost in the Final by a dodgy penalty. Can understand why some sports don't even go there. VAR's bad enough. Just imagine a team winning every single game in a season, then losing in the final of the playoffs in the dying seconds. Nobody would watch such a sport would they. TV viewing figures would be awful.. Advertisers most certainly wouldn't be interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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